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Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on July 20, 2014, 10:50:28 AM
You had me at "piss stained furniture."  I love it when you talk like that.

I only do that for my most trusted clients. It comes under 'extras' on the invoice.

http://youtu.be/Dl1i656Ja2I

Quote from: paladin1991 on July 20, 2014, 08:07:08 AM
That's why we need a secure border.  How much more must it cost us?

$10 and a pickled egg. Cheap at twice the price...nearly giving it away.

Quote from: basswood on July 20, 2014, 07:24:32 AM
Yeah, $200 plus expenses sounds like the right figure. Best role he played in my opinion, nudging out his Hendley the Scrounger in the Great Escape.

I thought Maverick was good too.

Quote from: basswood on July 20, 2014, 05:16:24 AM
RIP+ Jim.

Yep. $200* a day plus expenses!

*Or was it a $1000?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-28390309

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on July 20, 2014, 01:52:19 AM
I'm surprised that you chose to make this your fight, Yorkie. A universal remote would only make life considerably less strenuous for those who desire nothing more than to be entertained in a way that lets them be as sedentary as possible while consuming massive quantities of everything that results in morbid obesity, diabetes, and a cirrhotic liver the size of a prize cantaloupe. How can you possibly be against that?  Save your energy and righteous indignation for the things that really matter.  Seriously.

Sir!! You astound me! Have you not envisaged the lines of redundant frequencies at the dole office? Cast asunder by the selfish, YES selfish! Those who care nothing about the destitution of poor forgotten frequencies who, through no fault of their own find themselves without function. All because the perception of morbid obesity, piss stained furniture, stale sweaty and lice infested sweat pants with 'Babe' or 'Hunk' printed on the chest, and the obsession with re-runs of Jerry Springer, Ricky Lake et al were seen as more important. Shame on you. Furthermore it's also... (cont pp94)

Quote from: b_dubb on July 20, 2014, 02:08:08 AM
Talking heads on Fox News seem ghoulishly pleased about how this incident is reigniting the Cold War

Quelle suprise! Their target audience still believes the Soviet Union still exists and the Berlin wall stands. Scratch that; Their target audience hasn't heard of Berlin. All they know is it's us and commies. Fox just fills in the gaps to substantiate that belief.

Quote from: Chaim on July 20, 2014, 12:37:45 AM
Ukraine has an amazing slimeball CIA puppet regime currently, so my take is
they shot it down themselves ordered by CIA or they deliberately ordered the plane to move into the warzone so the Libertarians would down it.
And of course Bill Gates is super happy cause it killed a bunch of AIDS scientists.

Your take? Don't go into any serious thinking will you? It won't suit your personality.

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on July 20, 2014, 12:22:43 AM
I share your frustration, and admire your fierce desire to eliminate those needless annoyances to our valuable leisure time so we can enjoy it to its fullest, so I'm all in favor of you running that particular part of things.  However, that's as far as I'm willing to go until I know more about you.  Am I right, ladies?

I'm alarmed that you of all people will be party to this conspiracy to eliminate R/F diversity. Won't anyone tbink of the wave lengths?

Quote from: albrecht on July 19, 2014, 04:23:42 PM
I think like most places most of the people on both sides in the conflict are just normal people going to work and trying to raise their families. Of course the bad or crazy people are the ones who normally make the news. And run for office. Normal, healthy people don't feel the need to try to control everyone else, make a spectacle of themselves above all others, and tell people what to do.

Very true. People are people. The vast majority just want to have a decent life; they don't want vast wealth or fame, just enough food to feed their family,  a job, decent place to live and free of crap. Too much to ask? The assholes who have caused wars think so. I just hope this incident will cause enough universal anger to make ir cease.

Aliens told him to stop.

Quote from: Quick Karl on July 19, 2014, 05:21:03 AM
Lemme guess - you actually flag posts on craigslist too...

What is this craigslist of which you speak; callow youth?

Quote from: Evil Twin Of Zen on July 19, 2014, 04:40:45 AM
nah, man. Magnificent's post was most likely a slap for the Ruteger types of the political threads. the few other posts by MagnificentBastard actually show a working brain. i think it was also meant for a bit of spirited fun.

Fun? What kind of talk is that? The last outbreak of moral is still having repercussions.

Quote from: Evil Twin Of Zen on July 19, 2014, 03:49:09 AM
Ah Ha! you would conspire with an agent of a class v civilization by providing materials that make the solar systems that are going to snuff out the earth's sun. damned brits. 

..damned Brits; working for an American company...THAT is the conspiracy.

Quote from: Evil Twin Of Zen on July 19, 2014, 03:37:18 AM
you should go with Earl. Earl installs "solar systems". on the Kardashev Scale, that places Earl as being from a class V civilization. 

I used to make the material that goes into PV panels, doesn't that trump simple installation?

Quote from: Mind Flayer Monk on July 19, 2014, 03:21:22 AM
Well, I can believe you YP or Earl. I think I am going to believe Earl. Earl has OSHA certification.

I had a 50 metre swimming certificate..Get me!

Reading the comments section of that link shows it degenerated the same way things do here!  ...And very quickly to the 'You MUST be a liberal, You MUST be a right wing loon' argument...Oh the simplicity of being an American. None of that individual shit, where everyone has their own feelings even if they might agree with their political opposite.

Sorry..I digressed..back to PV panels. Yeah, they do suck the sun's energy, and Jupiters, and the moon's.. PV panels are making the moon smaller.

Quote from: Mind Flayer Monk on July 19, 2014, 03:14:31 AM
You should click on the link, look around a little.

Yeah, it's a spoof. But it seems someone is believing it..How very dare they!!! It's how wars start. 

How is this political? Shouldn't it be in General?

Quote from: FightTheFuture on July 19, 2014, 12:17:31 AM

There is a great deal of nuance to the IR655 tragedy. Not so much with the Russian take down.

The Vincennes incident was not down to the radar but to a poor command and control system.  They had all the data to identify the aircraft as an airliner but by the time it was all in the hands of the man with the "fire" button it was too late.  In other words the buck stopped with the Captain, who incredibly was decorated for it! Still, as he could do no wrong, why should the buck stop with him?

Quote from: Uncle Duke on July 18, 2014, 09:32:12 PM
No, not jesting.  Hadn't heard any kooky theories yet, that's why I was asking.  I don't consider disinformation on the part of nations/factions to be conspiracy theories, but I do like the one about the putrefied bodies.  The really good ones are going to come from the Alex Jones' and Steven Greers' of the world, not state security services or political entities.

As someone in the defence industry said.

"That's why we start these wars in the first place - generally when the price of aluminum drops to the point where our millinery business becomes unprofitable."

Quote from: Imconfused on July 18, 2014, 08:39:24 PM
well,  there u go.  " NPR AND BBC"  ...............

Oh I wonder who this might be?^^^^ No I don't. Begins witb J, ends in r... narrow it down?

Quote from: expat on July 18, 2014, 10:05:12 AM
AAaaaaaaaaaaaarrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Bara's been handed the C2C audience on a plate next Wednesday, to plug his atrocious new book 'Ancient Aliens on Mars, Part 2.'

Everyone call in to ask why he pushed the 2006 Mars Express images of 'The Face' as the definitive view, yet totally ignored the far better 2007 image from the HiRISE camera. The resolution of the HiRISE image is 0.8 m/px cf. the Mars Express 13.7 m/px. The HiRISE image shows that the detail features (eyes, tear duct, nostrils...) don't exist. Is that why Bara didn't use it???

Here's the Mars Express 3-D compo.

Here's the HiRISE image

More ammunition on my blog.

Although it's a reasonable thing to challenge Bara, and on air..He's a nasty piece of work and someone innocently asking with politeness might be met with an onslaught of 'You've been reading/ listening to those two wannabee (insert expletive and pronoun)'.

Quote from: VtaGeezer on July 18, 2014, 02:06:00 PM
Putin cares only about hanging onto power and being recorded in Russian history as the Restorer of Mother Russia...or perhaps Tsar Vladimir.  If the snippets of domestic Russian news that I get on various web sources are true, the Russian people are being led down the disinfo rabbit hole as badly as when Pravda was the only source...they knew to mistrust Pravda. The launcher and it's crew are back in Russia; none likely to see daylight again.  Access to evidence identifying the missile is a pipedream.  Putin's already off the hook at home.

I wouldn't be so sure on that; It depends if Putin is implicated. If he is, and sanctions are enforced he won't be popular at home.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28378388

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on July 18, 2014, 12:35:52 PM
zeebo, a little squirrel that looks just like your avatar started hanging around my yard a few days ago, so I named him after you.  Hope you don't mind, but too bad if you do because you're powerless to stop me. 

This is what comes of unfettered power!!! Megalomaniac in the realm of squirrel naming..Won't anyone think of the rodents who wish to be anonymous?

Quote from: paladin1991 on July 18, 2014, 09:20:01 AM
You missed my point.  I thought it was obvious but perhaps I don't express myself clearly when I'm speed typing.  Somebody is going to make this a political issue to score points, some political animal always does.  So yeah, nationality is important.  Reference the sinking of the Lusitania.  That gave political leverage to push America into our first venture to the continent.  There is always a way that some pol can make leverage for whatever is in its interest.

Nationality of victims?  Unimportant?  Maybe.  Unless they are your countrymen.  Then it may be a shocked, 'Fuck me!'  or perhaps, 'Fuck me, better you than me.'  Might depend on how much you care or feel about things.

As to the Aussie family, FUCK ME TO TEARS.  Absolute shit.  I don't have many words to express what I feel for them.  That is some absolute life suckage.  I can't imagine the pain they must be in.

And why are we arguing about how we 'feel' and what the definition of 'caring' is?  300 odd ppl are dead that weren't supposed to be.  Somebody pulled the trigger.  Even putting a bullet through the heads of everyone in that chain of command isn't going to bring those ppl back. 

Shit sandwich time.

I agree with pretty much all that. The news today had a large segment from The Netherlands where most of the passengers came from. I doubt this will sink in for the families for a long time to come. Just senseless.

The political fall out has yet to come; The Kremlin is trying very hard to come across as co-operative but short of outright blaming Kiev (They're letting the press do that), while at the same time not blaming their sponsored 'rebels' in Ukraine.
I bet telephones have been ringing all day between various people who can see the writing on the wall. At least no-one has said it's collateral damage, but there's always time for that.

Quote from: paladin1991 on July 17, 2014, 04:20:09 PM
Maybe to you. 
The nationalities are important. 

In the highly unlikely event that the dumbasses on the controls of the missile unit had access to the passenger manifest, the point is moot.

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Who is going to get the most political mileage out of their murders?

What happens as a consequence of the aeroplane's loss might come back to bite Putin big style though. Germany is one of Putin's few European friends (at government level at least), mainly because of energy supplies, but also trade. If the missile (if that's what brought the plane down) is proven to be Russian supplied and not sequestrated from Ukraine's Russian supplied armoury, then someone signed it off to the Russia sympathetic separatists. Did it go all the way to Putin? Certainly the Kremlin, but how high? The West's spooks will maybe already know the paper trail, and can use it as leverage against Putin in his designs on Ukraine. More sanctions etc..Which would put Germany, the most powerful economy in Europe and one of the biggest in the world in a very invidious position if they abstained a veto of Russia. Germany would be forced to side with the rest of the West, or pull out of the EU. If the latter we could see a major economic free fall world wide and Germany isolated, maybe siding (at government level) with Russia. Personally I don't see Germans having that as top of their 'Things to do' list.

But, remember how the First world war started with a shot around the world. Wars have started for a lot less than a downed airliner.


Some expert on the radio suggested it might not be the BUK system, as they're usually fired in a volley of four. That portable ones supplied by Russia couldn't reach; but he suggested that China makes such a weapon that is accurate to over 32000 feet, but he didn't know if it was available or what it's called.

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80 kids is the last report I have on this side of the pond.  Is that a lot?  Seems to be a high number of kids.  The civvie flights I've taken never seem to have that many kids.

School terms are over now in Europe..Holiday season. Could be several flying on from the destination..There were two English Newcastle football fans on their way to New Zealand to watch some friendlies.

An Australian family lost their son and daughter in law in MH370...they've lost their step daughter and her husband in this one. That's pretty shit for them.

Quote from: jazmunda on July 18, 2014, 12:12:25 AM
Australia’s first police force was made up of the most well-behaved convicts.

...and the current one is made up with badly behaved ones?


http://youtu.be/9CdVTCDdEwI

Reading on a flight related forum, one or two have pointed out that the ground to FL320 was out of bounds. This 777 was at FL330, BUT as it's reported that a great deal of the 'rebels' are drunk or on other stuff, a 1000 feet would be pretty meaningless.

Iraq and Afghanistan were flown over during their respective wars, but as NATO controlled the sky in both situations, there was little chance they'd be shot down. Each airline makes it's own route decisions within designated controlled airspace; Nothing to stop for example British Airways flying from London Heathrow to LA via Cape Town, Delhi, Sydney, Tokyo, SF, NY, Dallas...It would be incredibly wasteful, but not a contravention of any regs..NOTAMS (Notification all airmen) were issued regarding Ukraine, but only for the border region and advising to stay above FL320. MA 17 went over the area to save money, (It's the most direct route) and was very unlucky. Ultimately it's the pilot's discretion, although flight plans are submitted about six months in advance.

Quote from: paladin1991 on July 17, 2014, 08:53:01 PM
But until the missle was launched, those 80 kids probably were not going to die today.

Hmmm, but how many kids will die in other ways? This missile attack was a catastrophic 'mistake'; as in whoever aimed it thought they were after a military aircraft (The telephone call transcripts suggests that).. Many many kids die through more deliberate means. No-one gets too uptight about that though. School kids being murdered in school? No-one says much after the day after unless you're directly involved or you're on the next conspiracy theory to say it was the gummint taking yuur gurns. .


As for the wider 'caring' argument. Can I modify it? Sympathy V Doing something practical.


I seldom if ever get sympathetic with any situation. I'm sometimes empathetic, although people saying 'I know who you feel' grinds my gears. No-one knows how anyone else feels, it isn't possible. We know how we feel on an individual basis.

Anyway, back to sympathy. Why is it a waste? Because sympathy is 'Sit down, have a cuppa, and there there it'll all be alright; Bye then, I have stuff to do'.

Doing something is 'Okay, tell me what's happened, how you feel about it, and then we'll try and make things better, together.'

Or in simple terms. Call at 3am: 'What, you broke down? Sorry to hear that; wow, that place is remote, well I hope you manage to get a ride back, night' (Sympathy)

'Okay, where are you exactly? Sit tight, I'm on my way, stay with the car, I'll be there as soon as I can' (Doing something)


I'm taking a punt, but I think that's what Onan is driving at. We can't do anything about this flight going down, and unless we're directly connected (via family and friends/ colleagues) the most we can do is feel it's tragic on a nebulous level as we don't know how those families feel. We can feel anger and despair at the inhumanity of humanity when it never learns, and willingly allows preventable starvation, and senseless conflicts all over the place.

S'okay...I'm wearing Nomex.

Quote from: paladin1991 on July 17, 2014, 03:18:04 PM
Heard as many as 23 Americans aboard.  80 children on board.

295 people. Their nationalities are irrelevant.