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Politics / Re: Zimmerman Riots?
« on: July 17, 2013, 07:17:13 AM »

 
How on earth could you possibly know what drives the run of the mill Leftist here where I live?  Oh, right, you don't. 
 
I hear it fucking first hand often enough.  The Leftist pukes around here - from the Occupy rabble to the ones holding office - are not different and don't think differently than the other ones in the other big cities - like Chicago - around the US when it comes to this stuff.  When Mrs. Obama says something like 'this is the first time in my adult life I've been proud of my country', or when Obama himself says he 'wants to fundamentally transform the country', what do you think they are talking about? 
 
Actually, I'd like to hear your explanation of what you think drives these people.


Jeeeze... It isn't LEFT! Some of those who stick the badge on saying 'left' just mean they're anti anything that tells them what to do. Anti 'da man' or whatever.


They have no interest in having control of their workplace, sustainability, neighbourhood, resources and an equitable society, and being autonomous of oppressive authority; THAT'S left.


Far right on the other hand is a dictatorship. No equality, only an autonomous 'elite' who answer to no-one but hold sway over the peasants. telling them when to shit, eat, sleep, work and shit again.


The rioters are thugs, trouble makers and opportunists, it isn't a political faction. Left or right. We had such riots in the UK two years ago, started in various places in London when a black guy was shot dead by the police (last week it was adjudged the police had no justification in doing so, but that wasn't known then)..A protest ensued (peaceful at first), the blokes family went on TV pleading for no riots or trouble; but in the age of blackberry's and Twatter, the news got out..And within hours, youths were looting shops..


In Croydon a furniture shop that had been there decades (The island it stood on was named after it-Reeves corner) was razed to the ground, destroying not just the shop, but putting all it's employees out of work. . One millionaire's daughter was later arrested and I think went to a prison for using her car to ferry a gang of looters all over London. It hit Manchester too. Salford to be precise as well as the city centre. The average age of those arrested was around 18 years old. One old boy was killed as he tried to put out the fire in his bin outside his flat. This wasn't anything to do with left/right; these were little shits who didn't know right from wrong, and used the guy's death as an excuse to go robbing shops and anyone who got in their way.

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Politics / Re: Zimmerman Riots?
« on: July 17, 2013, 06:41:36 AM »

 
The other black Africans from enemy tribes that caught them and sold them to the slavers?  Who re-sold them all over the world?




Yeah, I know that..learned it at school. Wilberforce and all that jazz. I know the origain, I also know that Bristol was a stopping off point for the triangular trade.
 
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The narrative is that slavery was invented by the United States, that after a long hard struggle the Left ended it, they and they alone are still fighting racism, and that because of that history the country is inherently evil and should be destroyed.  This is the Left's philosophy regarding the US in a nutshell.  This is what the rage of Occupy, the other violent 'protest' groups, and people like Obama and his cronies is about.  It's why they hate us.  That we are a successful wealthy influential country just further enrages them.




Oh get off the left/right bollox..It isn't big, clever, true or helpful.


 
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The real story is the slavery of Africans was widespread, it had a long tradition going back at least as far as Rome, and the colonies inherited it from jolly old England.  English planters made fortunes from the tobacco and cotton plantations using this free labor.  It was alive and well in the other English colonies, as well as the rest of Africa, Arabia, other European colonies, etc.  It was a new party called the Republicans - created specifically for the purpose of abolition - that ended it in the US (meanwhile it continued on in other places).
 
If was a legacy left to the new Republic, something we got rid of when we got the chance. 
 
It would be nice if we had a media and historians that were proud of our country and told the truth about it.


Did I say it wasn't the above? I was pointing out the veiled accusation that the slave's reactions after being freed was known by the politicians of the time overlooks the reason they were there in the first place.

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Politics / Re: Zimmerman Riots?
« on: July 17, 2013, 05:34:15 AM »
I don't think the southerners feared the results of generational dispossession; they had no idea at the time how the descendants of freed slaves would behave. Rather, I believe they knew the character of their charges more thoroughly than either of us might care to understand.


As opposed to the character of those who did the enslaving? Because let's face it, the slaves all volunteered to be chained into ships with the prospect of death before they reached the promised land where they'd be in abject misery for as long as they lived-often not long. Charges? It makes it seem as if they ran a kindergarten. As for understanding them; I don't doubt it, I bet if we'd been in slavery and had an opportunity to escape it, we'd make damn sure no-one was under no misunderstanding of how pissed we were.

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Politics / Re: Zimmerman Riots?
« on: July 17, 2013, 04:54:32 AM »
Back to Trayvon - his girlfriend was interviewed by Piers Morgan.  She was on the telephone with Trayvon, and told him that the creepy ass cracka might be a gay rapist.  She told him that if he, Trayvon, was not gay himself, he'd do something about Zimmerman.  It would appear, from her statement, that she is a homophobe and talked Trayvon into gay bashing.  So homophopbia, not racism, was the motive.  Will Eric Holder investigate that?


Am I the only one who thinks homophobe(ia) is a misnomer? Phobia is an irrational fear of something isn't it? Or isn't it? Dunno..


But anyway, post trial, the telephone conversation is now moot isn't it, unless it was presented as evidence?

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Radio and Podcasts / Re: i should host coast to coast am
« on: July 17, 2013, 04:32:33 AM »
Hoagland has a great love for science in popular culture, and would probably be ready to throw his panties at Michio Kaku.  I think he'd be wetting himself (thanks Tinfoil Hat... rereading your post I guess I got that from you), showing as much respect as he knew how, staying away from all his usual nonsense, and agreeing with everything that Kaku said.. except he would try to find a way to make everything Kaku brought up sound like his own idea by talking over everyone.


Up to the point when torsion physics was thrown into the mix... Then the awkward pause, a few coughs, followed by a dead phone line.."Oh, we lost Richard"

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Yorkshire--Don't be a self-righteous ass.  I asked a reasonable question, and went out of my way to not name the guest or accuse him of anything.  Thanks to the OP who provided an answer, clearly recognizing the manner and intent of the question.


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 Is it possible C2C could have missed such a heinous act in vetting a guest?


Perhaps they did? Yeah, that'll be it.




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Random Topics / Re: Doctor Who
« on: July 17, 2013, 04:23:14 AM »
I'm surprised that YorkshirePud and Usagi haven't responded to this thread.


Not a big Who fan; I watched it as a kid and hid behind whatever was to hand (vaguely remember Troughten; and later Pertwee). I can't get into cult things.. I liked Star Trek and Thunderbirds, but didn't get too wrapped up in them. I read above 'British talking'..No such animal I'm afraid.. ;D

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Radio and Podcasts / Re: i should host coast to coast am
« on: July 16, 2013, 02:37:12 PM »
A new thread?


I should host C2C because: (In 50 words or fewer).


 Consideration is given to those who will only have Hoagland on if they can make him (using his own 'science') unravel his 'astonishing confirmation' in five minutes.




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Politics / Re: Zimmerman Riots?
« on: July 16, 2013, 02:13:14 PM »
These riots have nothing to do with the shooting. Sure, the rioters want you to think they are supporting that dead kid by raiding a Walmart, but they are all just criminals who were looking for any excuse to go act like animals. The only reason this story has to do with racism is because thats the way the media wanted it.


Sadly the same sort of thing happens over here too. Someone dies, and rent a mob get together and burn he place down after they've looted it..That's when the dilemma over tooled up police officers comes out. Ours were let down by commanders who wanted to play it softly softly. The boys and girls on the ground in some places ended up being sitting ducks; until the light bulb went on,and their bosses woke up and smelled the coffee. 


Apparently Stevie Wonder has cancelled his FL gigs; that'll show em. Especially the ones who had paid to go and watch him and have nothing to do with what's happened! Still, they can always get a ticket from the touts and go into GA if they're not sold out.

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Politics / Re: Politics
« on: July 16, 2013, 01:21:34 PM »
As I said in the post above yours..I have no idea why a woman wanting an abortion would leave it that long. But I do know it's a very small percentage that do. The debate needs to be made with those involved; but what instead happens is much legislation takes place without thinking through the problem as a whole. I go back to Onans point about the decision being between the woman and her medical practitioner (whoever they may be). Until the 'why' of the problem is addressed, the answer is clumsy at best. 

25541
Politics / Re: Politics
« on: July 16, 2013, 12:51:29 PM »
You didn't say anything about rape in the previous post, and it seems to me that two trimesters is plenty of time for a woman to decide if having a baby is going to cause her serious mental distress. Remember, this discussion is about late-term abortion, not abortion itself.

I'm generally pro-choice (about abortion and nearly everything else), but it annoys me when the pro-choice industry seems to take the position that pregnant women, unlike everyone else, are immune to the consequences of their actions and decisions.


I'm neither for nor against abortion. Yes, I think there should be limits on it, but there are very very few late term abortions,; as for why they go that long? I don't know, I've never been in that position, I won't be. I don't know if you're a father, but if you are, you'll know that pregnant women change psychologically big time during the pregnancy. Cravings, turning to total bitches, then sweetness and light all in the space of thirty seconds! They do suffer a form of madness, that they can't do a thing about; and it affects some women more than others. PMT with attitude.
 Nature is a cruel mistress, and if men were the ones who became pregnant I think the whole conception, pregnancy, child birth abortion, contraception, debate would be very different.. As it is, MOST of legislation is made by men; that's a fact. I know after seeing child birth I'd be choosing sterilisation long before the possibility of conception ever occurred!

25542
Politics / Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« on: July 16, 2013, 12:13:14 PM »
Yeah i really hate being informed... i feel it is a civic responsibility... but it still is depressing know what i know about the current state of affairs... and i don't know all that much, but compared to family and friends I'm the more knowledgeable person in the room... I try to explain some things to them and they just start getting depressed...

on a less soul crushing side note... Yorkshire pud, I've gathered your from GB... which football club do you support? Mind you there are right answers hahaha


Oh that's easy..I don't really follow football. I take note of the five or six clubs' near to me (their league positions) during the season, but I'm not a fan of any of them. Once upon a time I tried to learn ice hockey (I wasn't a bad skater), but it nearly killed me, I was too old when I started, and never got past half a dozen training sessions.  ;D
I follow the six nations rugby, and the rugby world cup. The recent Wimbledon tennis was quite good...and now we have the Ashes cricket test; second test starts on thursday..England are one up to Australia so far.

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Politics / Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« on: July 16, 2013, 11:46:23 AM »
I'd like to interject and ask was the world/country always this shitty? or am i just noticing it now? I'm only 28 and only really started caring about/keeping abreast with politics/world events in the last 5 years or so... I know it's easy to look back with nostalgia... but objectively was the world this shitty? or did we just not have all the information that the internet allows us to have now? There certainly wasn't the level of distrust in the government 20 years ago that there is now...

   


Yes it has been this shitty. Just different shitty games with different players, different pugilists and different victims..The difference is that because  in large part to the information highway, people are able to access most/some/ all areas. That your parents looked through rose tinted specs when you were a lad, and mine too, and no doubt our grandparents just means we see nostalgia as dusting down the whole, shine up the turd and forget the really shitty mess that isn't solid. We call that bit 'The good old days'

25544
Politics / Re: Politics
« on: July 16, 2013, 11:37:24 AM »
Tough titty, as we say here in the Colonies. Suck it up.


So you'd be okay made to carry to full term if you'd been raped and made pregnant? Or it was likely result in a mental breakdown?  Assuming of course you were a woman....

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Politics / Re: Politics
« on: July 16, 2013, 10:21:34 AM »
Fair enough.  For the record, I too support banning third trimester but I feel there must be a mechanism in place to support an adoption process that places no liability on the birth mother.  I wish the GOP would support the creation of an infrastructure for supporting this as opposed to leaving it to the charity sector or social services.
Before you ask I mean arrangement placement with vetted parents and cover all costs of natal/postnatal care.  No stipends; I do not want to create a cottage industry of baby-making (although given the demand for adoptions...) but costs covered.


Hmm, and what if the mother really doesn't want to or psychologically can't continue with the pregnancy? What then?

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Politics / Re: Politics
« on: July 16, 2013, 08:37:14 AM »



Thoughtful and articulate. 


You make excellent points that underpin the argument that abortion should be legal and ethical.  Given the context and gravity of the decision and the act, it should also be surrounded by solemn discernment.


It should be legal and ethical. I don't think though it should be a political football. I don't know how it's structured in the US, but I do know over here (UK) several medical practitioners are involved from initial consultation with the woman's GP, up to the limit on when it can be performed.




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This report presents statistics on abortions carried out in England and Wales in 2012.


In 2012, for women resident in England and Wales: The total number of abortions was 185,122, 2.5% less than in 2011 (189,931) and 5.2% more than in 2002 (175,932).


 The age-standardised abortion rate was 16.5 per 1,000 resident women aged 15-44, 5.4% lower than in 2011, and 2.7% lower than in 2002 (17.0); the lowest rate for 16 years.


 The abortion rate was highest at 31 per 1,000 for women aged 21, compared to 33 per 1,000 for women aged 20 in 2011 The under-16 abortion rate was 3.0 per 1,000 women and the under-18 rate was 12.8 per 1,000 women, both lower than in 2011 (3.4 and 15.0 per 1,000 women respectively) and in the year 2002 (3.7 and 17.8 per 1,000 women respectively).


97% of abortions were funded by the NHS. Over half (62%) took place in the independent sector under NHS contract, up slightly from 61% in 2011 91% of abortions were carried out at under 13 weeks gestation, 77% were at under 10 weeks compared to 78% in 2011 and 57% in 2002.


 Medical abortions accounted for 48% of the total, the same as in 2012, and 14% in 2002. 2,692 abortions (1%) were carried out under ground E (risk that the child would be born handicapped).


Non-residents: In 2012, there were 5,850 abortions for non-residents carried out in hospitals and clinics in England and Wales (6,151 in 2011).


The 2012 total is the lowest in any year since 1969




From this>>>


https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/211790/2012_Abortion_Statistics.pdf


25547
Politics / Re: Politics
« on: July 16, 2013, 08:11:24 AM »



Given the number of abortions, 50 million in the USA since 1973, there is a likelihood that the decision to have an abortion is not initially seriously discerned.  In fact, by many it is seen as simply another means of contraception.

An underlying force behind abortion is the profit motive.  Inclusive of government funding Planned Parenthood generated an annual $1.2 billion and ended the 2010-11 fiscal year with $87.4 million in excess funds.

It is an industry like any other and should be judged as such.  This means having a more comprehensive regulatory framework and effective diversion programs.

Regardless of one's point of view, none of this should be taken lightly.


The above may be the case in the USA; in the UK, the procedure has no profit incentive (unless of course the mother chooses to have her termination privately) as it's the NHS. But then picking out abortion as a profit motive is a disingenuous, unless you also mention the many many medical procedures that generate profit t put things into perspective.


But again; trotting out the figures doesn't address the underlying reasons why a woman might have an abortion. It's accepted that some do choose it as a first (and last) contraception choice, but then, a lot more don't. The age demograph has to be taken into account too. A terrified 15 year old girl may have no-one to go to who will be understanding, and knows that if she goes full term she'll be ostracised by her family; because she hasn't cottoned onto the myth that everyone is understanding, empathetic and just so bloody nice.. So she goes to her GP who will refer her for a termination. As I said above, until you're faced with it, you cannot possibly say what you'd do. And that in my book counts out 100% of men.

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Politics / Re: Politics
« on: July 16, 2013, 07:29:32 AM »

From the various people involved in the medical side of it, who are trotted out on debates on TV/ radio every time this topic is flavour of the week on this side of the pond. I accept it's anecdotal, but I guess admin don't usually send out a questionnaire pre and post termination to gauge if the mother has/ will do/ never will regret what they're doing..


 From my own point of view, I'm a man, and I don't have a say in what a woman should do with her own body. I have also been in a position where that very topic came up in my own fatherhood circumstances. Of course I'm thankful that my son's mother chose to carry him, although it was pointed out that it could be dangerous to her with her ongoing medical issues..Given the choice at the time and she had been facing serious disability/ death, and  it had been her or him? No way would I have lost her. But of course being the woman she is, she'd have risked herself. Until you're faced with it, (and as prospective parents we could have at any time in the term) you don't know for certain what you'd do until it happens.


 But it's interesting that you pick that one point up, but non of the others that give some of the reasons why it happens in the first place, and how forcing it underground will simply make things worse.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-22890049


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23151838


The second link is interesting..Only applies if the prospective woman is suicidal; not if it would kill her! Gotta love em eh?

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Politics / Re: Politics
« on: July 16, 2013, 07:07:57 AM »
What are you basing that number on?


From the various people involved in the medical side of it, who are trotted out on debates on TV/ radio every time this topic is flavour of the week on this side of the pond. I accept it's anecdotal, but I guess admin don't usually send out a questionnaire pre and post termination to gauge if the mother has/ will do/ never will regret what they're doing..


 From my own point of view, I'm a man, and I don't have a say in what a woman should do with her own body. I have also been in a position where that very topic came up in my own fatherhood circumstances. Of course I'm thankful that my son's mother chose to carry him, although it was pointed out that it could be dangerous to her with her ongoing medical issues..Given the choice at the time and she had been facing serious disability/ death, and  it had been her or him? No way would I have lost her. But of course being the woman she is, she'd have risked herself. Until you're faced with it, (and as prospective parents we could have at any time in the term) you don't know for certain what you'd do until it happens.


 But it's interesting that you pick that one point up, but non of the others that give some of the reasons why it happens in the first place, and how forcing it underground will simply make things worse. 

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Random Topics / Re: Things That Annoy You
« on: July 16, 2013, 05:34:43 AM »
You'll find such errors in books too from time to time...  As I recall, in the first 30 pages of Fellowship of the Ring, Tolkien uses the phrase "like a speeding train".  Of course, in Middle Earth, there were no trains.


That's the sort of thing that the mainstream media would have the truthers believe.. I can see your trick! HA!!

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Politics / Re: Politics
« on: July 16, 2013, 03:44:34 AM »

Just because the baby is vulnerable and small, gives no right to anyone to stop the baby's heart and extinguish the most innocent of life


There are many reasons why abortion takes place. 99% of the time it isn't a decision taken lightly, and frequently it's taken with ongoing distress to the mother for several years afterwards. This is quite apart from the instances of conceptions that could result in the mother's death, unbidden pregnancy from rape/ incest, failed contraception (men lying about a vasectomy or a forgotten daily pill), unsuitable contraception that fails (coil v pill) ..My son was an unplanned conception due to his mother being on meds for a condition; the meds made her forgetful, she literally forgot to take her pill; and contrary to some myths, some do need to be taken daily.


In Ireland this week they've just dragged themselves into the 20th century and allowed (because their legislature is inextricably linked into what the Vatican demands) terminations from conceptions that put the mother at risk from death. They still ban abortions from such as 12 year old girls being raped by the favourite uncle, or a serial rapist picking out a mother of two kids.. But life is so simple and black and white when you don't directly have to deal with such things, and can simply condemn a woman for killing a foetus.


Simply bringing in 'rules' against abortion won't stop it; which is why in Ireland (But by means the only place) the instances of young and not so young women frequently dying as a result of back street abortions is not something they like to brag about. The same way laws on drugs and prostitution doesn't stop either, it merely makes it go underground.

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Politics / Re: Politics
« on: July 16, 2013, 02:44:46 AM »

And as much as some do not like it, the decision is better handled between patient and doctor. Not a bunch of forum talkers.


^^^ This.. and only this.

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And so endeth the lesson on putting two and two together and making five..It's how lynchings start.  :-\

25554
Random Topics / Re: CoastGab Contributors
« on: July 16, 2013, 02:27:14 AM »
Please say they were naked pictures otherwise it so wasn't worth it.


Not naked, but that's irrelevant. He was a deranged, psychotic, sociopathic cunt. But that's only my considered opinion.


Was compounded by some who should have known better (Not MV I hasten to add) not once took him to task before it got silly, because he told them what they wanted to hear.

25555
Politics / Re: Politics
« on: July 15, 2013, 01:11:15 PM »

Mmmmmm  Clams!


green lipped ones? Ahem...


Sorry..  :-[

25556
Politics / Re: Zimmerman Riots?
« on: July 15, 2013, 01:09:27 PM »
       I went a bit overboard there. And I issue an apology to gangrenous toenails and dung cockroaches for the comparison to that pig nosed vomit Nancy Grace.

          *Sorry to pigs and vomit, too.




Jeeze man, you're going out of your way to upset the innocent! You might get away with gangrenous toenails though.. one is infected the other disgusting when clipped off.  :D

25557
Politics / Re: Zimmerman Riots?
« on: July 15, 2013, 11:32:28 AM »

           Being a pessimist, I'm certain that gangrenous toenail of a woman, Nancy Grace will see little punishment. She defames people on a daily basis and still survives like the dung cockroach that she is.


Eddie; please say what you really think.  ;D

25558
Politics / Re: Politics
« on: July 15, 2013, 11:30:59 AM »
Because vaginas.




..are also known as growlers, snatches, clams...

25559
Politics / Re: Zimmerman Riots?
« on: July 15, 2013, 10:57:19 AM »
Our justice system is less than perfect; and there are stacks of instances of miscarriages and misguided acquittals in equal measure. It isn't that very many years ago when the defence and the prosecution had to share admissible evidence, so that a 'level playing field' was played out in court. Scottish law is also different in some ways to English/ Welsh law.


But the one thing where currently there is much debate, and that's the televising of cases. Do you think that because your major cases (I'm guessing it is only major cases?) are plastered all over the TV 24/7 that the lawyers and judges play up to the cameras at the expense of the justice in hand?


Certainly a 6 person jury on a murder charge (or any charge for that matter) is one of the most bizarre thing I've heard.

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Politics / Re: Zimmerman Riots?
« on: July 15, 2013, 01:37:44 AM »
So if you see someone who looks like other criminals in your neighborhood, its unlawful?


Couple of questions; why should seeing someone be unlawful? And what does a criminal look like?

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