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Politics / Re: Sharia VS LGBT Rights
« on: May 08, 2014, 06:33:06 AM »
Fuck, yes. I work with 2 gay Muslims.

Fucking liberals.  ;D

Random Topics / Re: The Jet Thread
« on: May 08, 2014, 06:23:12 AM »
I didn't say I'm out there doing that or anything, but I've certainly seen it before myself at airshows.    When a real jet can float like those rc planes, then let's talk.   Of course, their engines will probably be too powerful for the airframe at that point.. lol

I think I'm right in saying that the Pegasus used in the Harrier is the most powerful normally aspirated turbine made fitted in a military aircraft. What is the key in this is vectored thrust. Getting it to work and move the aircraft in all directions whilst the airframe retains it's integrity is the engineering challenge.

Random Topics / Re: The Jet Thread
« on: May 08, 2014, 05:10:52 AM »
The first pair of these were models, if you didn't know.   Look at :48 and 1:28, it's quite clear.  Plus somei of this shit they're doing is with their landing gear out.    You can pretty much do most of this stuff with prop models as well, although you don't have the rear exhaust, obviously.   The second part is real, but nothing that impressive.

Yeah I know first lot are R/C. But if you don't think throwing a vectored thrust fighter around the sky isn't impressive you'll have to post your own piloting skills vids.

Didn't read it, but I think I have the gist of what it would say...

At first I thought you was thinking the "Art had loot, Ramona had a serious medical condition, why wasn't there more live saving gear in the RV, hindsight's always 20/20, wonder if Art blames himself" angle in your back in the day post.  But I'm thinking your going in a more intentional direction...

Your first part...  for some reason I doubt the "nobody knows" part.  There's one I can think in particular would have probably talked.

The second part... everyone's brain works differently.  Especially after a loss in your life.  Trust me, I know.

Oh give him credit. He's a cv surgeon on his days off and an expert on asthma and it's variations so why wouldn't he also be an expert in grief counselling and how different people react differently?

Random Topics / Re: The Jet Thread
« on: May 08, 2014, 04:03:54 AM »
I was almost (no I wasn't really) taken in until I got to:

but only after it had ascended to nearly 44,000 feet where “undoubtedly” all of the other passengers and crew were killed by asphyxiation.

Flying at FL440 would not cause asphyxiation. That's assuming the aircraft could aerodynamically fly at that altitude. But don't let fact get in the way of a good conspiracy.

i dont think i would care what art bell said about me or what anyone else would say
im a dude who picks trash for a living, so lots of people say things about me offline, brush it off

Look. You might not think you're high enough up the food chain to warrant any interest, and I can buy that. But put yourself in the shoes of others. You don t have the right to make unsubstantiated accusations against others. By your own admission you pick up trash, yet you're an expert on the ins and outs of asthma and exactly how it manifests in all people. You really do 't know what you're talking about and just parrot whatever you've read that seems to fit what you already think. You prove that by ignoring all referances to the official post mortom and instead keep trying to sell the murder bs. And why should YOU be let near any official pathology report? You pick up trash, you're not a coroner.

Politics / Re: Sharia VS LGBT Rights
« on: May 08, 2014, 01:26:02 AM »
This reads like a laundry list of stereotypes.

It really only seems to be an American thing (in the west) that people are judged in their entirity by who they voted for in the last election. They're told that if they agreed on (for instance) 60% of what candidate 'x' stood for, by definition they must agree with the other 40%. It doesn't work like that in  the real world. We don't agree with everything our friends and family think and say, so that because we choose to have them around us doesn't make us slavishly in agreement with everything. Because anyone is liberal thinking doesn't  make them in agreement with everything another liberal thinking person thinks..I certainly don't. Similarly right wingers don't all agree with each other.By the logic some employ, does this mean some do choose their friends based on who their political allegiances lie with? If so then something really is fucked.

Random Topics / Re: The Jet Thread
« on: May 08, 2014, 12:46:32 AM »

Came across this display...Impressive yes?

the problem is, you want two and two to equal five.

Or as Astroguy said it isn't even's the same as saying (paraphrase)  6+dog=laserbeam

libel would be if i said
"oh look i have proof that mr bell murdered his wife" and then posted a bunch of fake shit and even then i dont believe the law applies to public forums where free speech is supposed to be protected, tho obviously some of those freedoms have not been protected in the world as of late....

point is its more of a thing for newspapers and magazines and shit, possibly blogs, but are there cases of internet forum libel? ive never heard of one personally

soo im open to someone pointing one out

You keep believing that, and ask various websites about libelous comments from unsubstantiated accusations and how the site owner is more than willing to help interested parties with their enquiries....

It's always amusing how the same people who see nothing wrong in making defamatory accusations are the same who want their 'freedoms' protecting..Such as the freedom to destroy someones reputation? How much would they mind if say Art Bell started spouting unsubstantiated crap about you? And you had strangers repeating it on CT websites, that were all lies, but hey...that's 'freedom' eh? Oh, and you couldn't afford to sue for libel, but people believed the shit about you? Sting a bit?

i can say what i want man, i have reasons to believe that he murdered her and i told them. lots of other people think he murdered her too so blah blah this can go back and forth forever.
if you want to murder someone and do it right you can get away with it, especially when you have money and power and influence and prestige. so to talk about autopsy reports and shit makes no sense, but he was out on the meat market again within 2 weeks and then fled the country for a bit and her death was totally suspicious if his story is that he was "sleeping" through probably moans for help from her (i had forgotten about the part about him sleeping through it until you mentioned)

Your call MV but he's making accusations that might be seen as you sanctioning because you're not deleting them. In the Uk the web owner's name is above the door and they can and do get hammered (even from the US) if someone makes libelous comments.

AS for GMD...get a fucking purpose in life, you're obsessed with death, even wanting it on a radio host...Get some help Soon!

Random Topics / Re: The Jet Thread
« on: May 07, 2014, 02:44:46 PM »
Back in the mid 80s, my then pre-teen nephew bought the F-19 plastic model kit.  He was so excited, I didn't have the heart to tell him it didn't exist.

Ahh yes, 'they' want you to think it doesn't exist... I know a bloke who knows a bloke who worked with a bloke (a senior supervisor in Walmart) whose brother knew a pilot (Crop sprayer in a Pawnee) who knew a guy (a truck driver) who saw one, once..In fog.

Need anyone need to ask more? You need an 'expert' to read the data?

I wish I was asleep now, then this thread would only be a nightmare.

Please don't start saying that

Or I'll start believing you

If I start believing you

I'll know that this party fears two

(With thanks to the late great Billy Mackenzie)


"And that your honour is the case for the defence in this libel trial"

like i would rather you people just feel how you want about it nobody was trying to shove it in your face.
on other conspiracy sites people are just like oh yeah he obv killer her.t

Yeah, because by and large Conspiracy sites are frequented by the terminally unable to think, crazy and just not fit to breath air. They have no ability to have any critical thinking and believe ANY shit anyone comes along and tells them..I know this to be true because I got thrown off one such site because I spun a story about some crap only 'I and a few close colleagues knew about'. It was the blue touch paper and you wouldn't believe the takers who told me I was doing 'great work' and to be careful. I got thrown off because I owned up to it and the mods didn't have the same approach to psychological research, fun.

because he was asleep when she died.

Oh C'mon, since when has being asleep been an excuse for not knowing what was going on if you'd been awake? I can give the benefit of the doubt, but simple unconsciousness is no excuse*.

*I'm making that bit up, I have to  in case he thinks I'm going along with his delusions.


that smarts, mate.

I refer the gentleman to his avatar and the fact he woke one day and thought having this forum a good idea in the first place...hence 'not much' insane.


and at some point there was reverse speech evidence off it supposedly. granted it was years ago and the audio is no longer available. however the question remains and if anyone is able to find the audio i'd like to hear it

As you're so adept at investigative work (particularly serious crime it seems) why were you never on the selection for the police and later FBI? I find it genuinely surprising you were never snapped up by a hard pressed police department that needed that extra insight from someone such as yourself. There must be many many unsolved murders throughout your city that you and you alone could solve simply by clicking on the net.

Alternatively you're deluded and have made several times libelous comments against Art Bell, who if he was made aware and had a mind to, could take MV to task for allowing it, and then he'd come after you. You could plead insanity of course, but MV can't...well not much.

Politics / Re: Sharia VS LGBT Rights
« on: May 07, 2014, 12:10:40 PM »

Hmmm, all these liberal media/ showbiz types supporting the Sultan of Brunei in this short video...Oh, apparently not they're not. So that means if they're left wing liberal media and showbiz types, then the Sultan of Brunei isn't...He's right wing after all! Who knew? Just who knew? 

Random Topics / Re: Recent World News
« on: May 07, 2014, 11:11:19 AM »
And much of it is a DIRECT result of people fearing or distrusting science.  Anti-vaccination folks, your chickens are at the door looking for a place to roost.

Same happened in the UK with the crap about MRR causing autism.. At the time the now entirely discredited 'paper' was published and then removed, I was married to a GP, and she rolled her eyes and was genuinely worried that in a few years we'd be seeing deaths from measels. Well it came to pass because the damage had been done, and Wakefield (the now struck off charlatan who was being paid by an American company that was trying to get it's single shot vaccines introduced by the back door by trying to discredit MMR) was seen as 'telling the truth'. Utter bollox. His 'research' would make a chem trail CT blush at it's lack of science and proper subject protocols-such as having fewer than twenty subjects to assess his 'findings' and no double blind or control groups, or independent assessment..

Anyway, the take up of MMR dropped off and it's 85% effacy fell very low in some parts of the UK, so low that it reared it's head. In fact in Swansea Wales, it was made a notifiable crises and surgeries and medical centres opened seven days a week over three or four weeks to get kids vaccinated.  Of course it didn't help that lizard lover David Icke was promoting that kids can 'get over' measels if they're not vaccinated; Presumably even the dead, blind and ones who suffer dreadful organ complications?  It's sort of being taken up again and hopefully it will diminish to when it was virtually unheard of in the UK-not that long ago.

I suspect that the polio crises might take many kids down before the parents wake up and smell the coffee.

Politics / Re: Politics
« on: May 07, 2014, 10:56:59 AM »
I knew that "Big Pharma" also had to be a part of this. More allergies equals more anti-histamine use! Kidding aside for a decade or so all we've heard of is the drought. I'm glad that this "professor" is claiming the Southwest is getting so much rain due to the warming, sorry, disruption. When is it going to happen? And why should we complain about some rain in the parched Southwest?

He's only a professor in name only, he doesn't actually know anything. Relax.

Drop acid often.

I did that once with a car battery, nearly broke my foot...not recommended kids. Acid spilled out and ruined the shine.

I think you're probably right.  Jesus, talk about passive-aggressive behavior.

Well yes, you can do that:

I (and it's only my considered opinion) he's a sociopath with deep deep psychological issues that need addressing in a quiet place.. Anyone who has the death of anyone who they're not directly connected with as a handle needs some serious help.

Politics / Re: Sharia VS LGBT Rights
« on: May 07, 2014, 03:54:45 AM »
No, you import them.

I don't, but if it makes you feel better, then who am I to disavow you of that opinion? 

They wouldn't be there otherwise. Downing Street won't have a good answer because they'd just be recounting 60 years of labour policy on the matter of Islamic immigration and denying 40 years of delayed tory adoption of labour policy. Now they're beheading your off-duty soldiers in the streets. Multiculturalism wasn't worth it.

It's funny you say that, because Blair is commonly felt to have followed the principles of Thatcher..Whose hero was Churchill, who started his political career as a liberal. He also tried to stifle the press I believe, and he's (rightly) seen as being the right man at the right time during WW2..However the surviving troops coming home after the war showed their appreciation by contributing to him being voted out and replaced by Atlee.   

Well, it's part apathy, but also that your culture grew stupid and hedonistic. Mine did the same. People either don't vote and stay home to watch the reality TV shows and get drunk, or they vote through rote indoctrination without thinking, or they vote themselves a pay raise. Only a small percentage actually put any thought into anything, which isn't a good thing because it favors more extreme movements like the BNP.

As far as the EU, I agree, it went where it's opponents said it would. It quickly devolved into a ridiculous bureaucracy. It didn't have to, if better run it would have been a positive thing. Instead it's just another layer of crushing bureaucracy making life difficult.

I can't really argue against the above. Especially the rote indoctrination. "I vote (insert party) because well, we are (insert party) and my parent's voted for them" It's frustrating to the nth degree. BUT the caveat certainly in the last twenty years or so is the mainstream parties have been falling over themselves to get the centre ground. To the extent in some respects you can't get a cig paper between them.

Politics / Re: Sharia VS LGBT Rights
« on: May 07, 2014, 02:47:40 AM »
I don't, I think the Christian anti-Gay bigots are wrong. I've said repeatedly that I am an agnostic at best, but most days I'm an atheist. I have also stated on multiple occasions that I am not homophobic and I fully support gay marriage. I also don't have a problem if someone wants to believe logically inconsistent notions about God/s/esses. Just don't foist it on the rest of us. Now you need to tell me why you're importing bigots. You don't just have it from one side now, you're importing a second branch of bigotry into your society and making accommodations for it. Why? It doesn't make any kind of practical sense.

I don't 'import' them...ask someone who knows why. It sure isn't me. Can I suggest Messrs Cameron and Clegg c/o 10 Downing Street, Whitehall, London, England.

So why has Labour consistently been pro-Islam? I hold a degree in a science.

No, it makes you an atheist. So why import a huge amount of people that believe you're wrong into your country and act as apologists for them? What do you think the end result of that will be?

Well, my own view FWIW and that's it's worth; Is that with the imminent European elections coming up, Council elections and within 12 months a general election, the political make up could alter significantly over the next 18 months-2 years. Politicians are just as flawed as the rest of us, with bigger egos. Which means they'll promise the world, and some believe they can, but found wanting when they deliver a wheelbarrow full of the same shit their predecessor brought to the party, irrespective of flag colour. Mix this with dire apathy from the electorate where in some places fewer than 15% even bother to vote ever but clearly if the majority of that 15% vote for the elected leader, you're effectively not being represented by the mandate..It's why proportional representation has some advocates.

In practical terms we might see some councils having new leaders or certainly a high representation with far right/left Councillors because the mainstream parties are too complacent and their few hard core followers too apathetic to go an d vote to keep out the new minority parties.

In short expect some quite volatile times ahead in pockets of the UK as far as elections are concerned. Time will tell what that results in. Several are pressing for a referendum to the UK's continued membership of the EU, the main parties are split among themselves whether to have one. Tony Benn that well known left wing firebrand who recently passed away was vehemently opposed to the EU from it's conception (Common Market) to what it became. He predicted it would become an over arching unaccountable bureaucracy, steeped in corruption and not for the benefit of the people it was set up to represent..oh boy was ever a man a walking talking crystal ball! 

Politics / Re: Sharia VS LGBT Rights
« on: May 07, 2014, 02:12:09 AM »
This is definitely one of the strangest positions the left has. For two reasons actually.

1. Why would anyone knowingly import a foreign social problem into their own country?

2. Why would liberals be for importing religious people? Practicing Muslims are vehemently homophobic, very much against gay marriage, they're the most anti-woman's rights people on the planet, they've got the death penalty enshrined in their religion, they are by definition hostile to the idea of separation of church and state, they've got no concept of free speech (just slander Muhammad to see that one) . . . how is that you think these people aren't going to end up opposing you?

How do you square that with right wing Christian anti gay bigots? You know, along the lines of the Church that set up a 'gay cure' programme that resulted in several suicides and ultimately in their leader admitting he was bi sexual? All religion is crap in my view. It's there to subjugate the weak or women or both, exploit the vulnerable and make at least one (usually more than one) section of society the scapegoat. If that doesn't work, turn on another religion...the wheel keeps spinning.

You'd think the lefties would pick up on that one. If they were ideologically consistent, they would oppose Islam above any other thing on earth.

Sorry to burst your preconception of your version of the REALWORLD™, but in my experience religion hasn't really got up there as an ideology among those with left of centre leanings..Wasn't Marx a rampant orthodox Christian? Perhaps not... A lot of scientists are aethiests, and we're given to believe by some that all scientists are rabid liberal left wing socialist Marxist Leninist lovers of Communism.

As for me? As above...Religion is a fantasy for the powerful to put down the weak for their own ends. I guess that makes me erm, a right wing centrist left winger?

It is the antithesis of liberalism. But the bobbleheads keep bobbling while the professors and the media keep issuing the platform and the talking points. If destroying and remaking the Western World is your aim, I guess it helps to cozy up to the Western World's historic opposition. Trouble is, that opposition is a hell of a lot more conservative than the West is. is, and it's only noticed now...The Christian crusades are forgotten...As is the invasion of the Vatican throughout the South Americas and Western Europe and Parts of Africa where the  poverty stricken give money to the Catholic church and keep breeding because it's a sin to prevent conception..All advocated by men who haven't the first clue about conception, pregnancy or childbirth (I would say sex but we know that isn't an exclusive tenet observed by all priests, and especially not with consenting adults)..    More subjugation.

Politics / Re: Politics
« on: May 06, 2014, 03:41:29 PM »
We have received the meme dear leader. It is not "global warming". Nor is it "climate change." It is now "climate disruption". Message received not won't SOMEONE please raise our taxes and tighten our regulations over every aspect of our lives to save us from this awful warming...sorry. From this awful "disruption"! UN- where are you!!? Obama, please! IMF can't you come up with some special SRD tax on us!?

Well you and me will need something, because if things carry on, we'll be well fucked and our kids will be really really pissed. But as I said, he's only a professor and hasn't a clue what he's talking about.

Politics / Re: Politics
« on: May 06, 2014, 02:57:29 PM »
I know he's only a professor, but maybe he has a point. Who knows?

Random Topics / Re: The Jet Thread
« on: May 06, 2014, 02:47:20 PM »
The key is, the USAF never denied the existence of an a/c designated F-117, or even a stealth fighter for that matter.  What they denied was the existence of the F-19.  There was no need to deny an "F-117" existed because that designation was never mentioned until the a/c was revealed to the public.  In fact, the USAF had violated the DoD standard aircraft designation process established by McNamara in giving the a/c a century series designation.

Consider the much rumored "Aurora". The USAF says there is no aircraft by that name.  They've never confirmed or denied such an advanced a/c exists/did exist.

I wonder what they do call it then? Several years ago (about 2007) I was in a Manchester park laying on my back having just had a light lunch picnic and was staring up at the (Unusual for Manchester) clear blue almost cloudless sky. It was warm and dry.

I could see the vapour trails of airliners at their usual cruising altitude, one or two that were on approach to Manchester airport to my right, and way way up in the sky was a single dark arrowhead (nearest shape that was similar) at a phenomenal height travelling east-west with a medium/light grey trail that had hoops strung along at regular intervals. As a speed comparison the airliners were doing the same distance (at approx FL300-350) in 45 seconds or so..this thing travelled the same distance at least twice that altitude in less than 20 seconds until out of sight. This is Manchester England.  Judging it's speed I'd estimate it could get across the Uk east west in about 30-40 seconds. Maybe less.

I tend to disagree.  first, there is no evidence to say that this is not a close relative of Noory's (or a previous business partner, or...)  Well, without knowing who it really is there is an assumption that the poster has never met George.

I also feel the need to point out that there are many around the world who wish ill health and an early death to many others.  The leader of North Korea (not even going to try to spell Kim's other names) would be a fine example.  During WWII you can bet that there were many people who had never met Mussolini (the Hitler card is just to worn out to pull on this occasion) who wished him dead.

Now, I am not saying that George is the equivalent evil of Mussolini, Pol Pot, Stalin or Kim Jung-whatever-his-name-is.  (Or he just might be to incompetent to rise to that level...)  Either way, I think there are many times when wishing the death of people you do not know is the order of the day.  I am certain that most Americans wish the collective deaths of any future terrorists who would bomb innocent civilians (do not tell me that you do not.)  If true, why is it acceptable to wish the death of not just an individual who you have not met, but an entire group of people?

Yes, i love playing devils advocate...

Indded, but as you said... Equivalence...I don't think it is acceptable to wish the death of an entire group of people. Or Noory...just don't tune in.. And yep, I know it's too simple. But hey, we're dealing with irrationality here, so it's not that simple.

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