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Quote from: Gd5150 on July 29, 2014, 01:18:22 PM
Thats because that who's always behind the man made end of the world scams.

...our kids can ask why politics was put into science, and why scientists were vilified as being 'liberal tax raising commies'.

Scientists don't decide policy. They present the science. Some of it incomplete, some of it ongoing for a long time yet..But if you don't want to accept what they say and instead play at 'lalalalallalalaaa can't hear you'...nothing really to add is it?

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on July 29, 2014, 01:21:09 PM
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Quote from: albrecht on July 29, 2014, 01:14:53 PM
So your purported patient died of sepsis or pneumonia or his heart condition. Not death by not having health insurance.

If you can't see the connection between affording health care (or having it paid for) and the outcome of a curable condition, I can't help you.

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But not getting treatment for their problem. Anybody, even an illegal alien, can be treated at least here in the USA. Simply walk into the ER or call 911.

Only if it is an emergency. It doesn't cover elective surgery or treatment for conditions. You're not really au fait with how hospitals and the medical world works are you?

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One of the big problems in the system is patients not paying once they are treated and using the ER for common health problems as opposed to real emergencies (they try to get you at least on a payment plan but if you are an illegal good luck trying to collect on that debt.) I don't understand the focus on insurance. I understand that those companies are a big part of the economy and have political influence but the focus shouldn't be on insurance but on healthcare and living healthy lifestyles. In an ideal world we should take the insurance companies out of it since they help cause the inflationary costs of healthcare.

Insurance companies have one goal; make profit. That's it. It's why you can't have a halfway house. You either have it all free at the point of need and pay fro it through taxes (or as we do national insurance and taxes) or you make sure everyone is paid a great deal more than they are and they settle the invoice when they get it. We have private health provision in the UK, and it's a similar thing to the US; you pay each month, but it isn't a pre-requisite to being treated in hospital, or physio, or pre/ante natal.

You either have to accept that if you can't afford it, you die sooner, or you all chip in and everyone gets a stab at longer life.. Healthy living not withstanding.

Quote from: The General on July 29, 2014, 01:13:10 PM
And when it turns out to be a lot of over inflated hyped up nonsense, they'll roll out the next big worry.

But why worry? You believe science is crap anyway. It won't bother you one way or the other.

Quote from: The General on July 29, 2014, 01:05:00 PM
I'm just waiting to see what the next big failed scientific prophecy will be.  Every few years there's a new one.  Remember acid rain, the population bomb, the Silent Spring," the coming ice age, heterosexual AIDS epidemic,  bird flu, and now global warming...?  sigh.

You didn't read the first post then? It isn't failed.

Quote from: albrecht on July 29, 2014, 08:30:27 AM
Show me one death certificate where the official cause of death determined by a doctor or pathologist is listed as "no insurance." I challenge you to visit any County Clerk, Vital Records office, or Health Department and find one that says that. You are more likely to come up with a legitimate record of birth for Barry than to find a "no insurance" cause of death. People die from illness, accidents, disease, or by violence.

Hmm maybe sepsis due to broken leg that didn't heal properly because the patient couldn't afford the treatment? Or complications due to chronic heart condition that was preventable if the patient had afforded the treatment? What about pneumonia due to treatable but unaffordable lung infection?

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on July 29, 2014, 12:31:57 PM
Oh no they di-in't!  Even if entire cast is dressed in ass-less chaps, that promises to be a turkey big enough to provision every soup kitchen in NYC on Thanksgiving.

It'll be a typical MM movie...explosions...death...decapitations....amputations...explosions..crashes...lots more crashes...explosions...THE END.

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on July 29, 2014, 12:35:55 PM
For what? Not explaining a joke to someone too thick to get it?  Go ahead and report me and see how quickly you're tossed out of the Complaint Office on your ear once the personnel are no longer incapacitated by derisive laughter.

They no longer work there; it's all done online now. But I'll be e mailing them soon enough, Oh yes matey boy.

Quote from: The General on July 29, 2014, 12:13:55 PM
It's nearly impossible to offend me.  Don't worry. 
LEAVE IT UP, it ain't emotional, brother. 
We're just talking about the weather. 
I enjoyed your point of view. 
I'll gladly concede that global warming is settled when LA is underwater.
And frankly, I think LA would look great under water.  What an improvement.

It'll be too late then; but never mind, at least our kids can ask why politics was put into science, and why scientists were vilified as being 'liberal tax raising commies'.

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on July 29, 2014, 12:23:55 PM
I really didn't expect you to, and would have been greatly surprised if you did.

If you don't tell me, I'll report you, then you'll be Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sorry.

Quote from: coaster on July 29, 2014, 12:15:54 PM
The irony is I first started using cinema 4d for 2d art, but I soon fell in love with motion design. Videocopilot is the go to source for AE stuff. I hope one day soon I am able to upgrade the computer and get those programs back, because I did some freelancing on the side, and it was nice having the extra money. Heres an example of the '2d' stuff I would make. Wasnt bad being paid 200-400 dollars for one picture.

What format did you sell the pictures? Digital or Hard copy as in printed out large format? Did you retain the copywrite? I'm interested in how you get commissioned and present such stuff.

Quote from: albrecht on July 29, 2014, 11:56:11 AM
I like the invitation the best. But the posters are pretty funny also.
http://imgur.com/a/KUnUD

Hilarious if your sense of humour is paint drying. Where's the inspiration? Parody and satire should be funny...how did they get it so wrong?

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on July 29, 2014, 12:06:54 PM
Unlike a certain shameless appropriator of his surname, Sonny never cared if anyone looked him in the eye, probably because it gave him the chance to put them under the spell of his legendary Svengali-like powers of persuasion and manipulation.  However, he was known to go ballistic if he thought someone was spending a little too much time staring at some Cher-riere.

Nope, I don't get it... Cher-riere...Cher-riere...Hmmmmmmmm.....nope.

Revealed; The real reason why Jaz is only working part time...I give you his alter ego...The Aussie voice is a bit deeper, voice training?



http://youtu.be/iO0jUAzOsV8

Quote from: Mr. Fidget on July 29, 2014, 09:55:59 AM
    people that are unwilling to take the time to investigate the information enough to discern the answer to those questions already told.

They don't care, that's why,  twat.

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on July 29, 2014, 10:27:20 AM
Sonny is never the "wrong" Bono, and he didn't have to change his name to become one.  He also had nothing to do with writing "Color My World."

::Sigh::...You just can't let it lie can you? I knew the graffiti was yours.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on July 29, 2014, 03:44:19 AM

What should be done starting now - now that things are so completely out of control, or what should have been done over the past 6 years to not get to this point? 

Which situation or situations would you like a response to?

Go on knock yourself out; Either/both.

Quote from: Quick Karl on July 29, 2014, 06:54:32 AM
Fecebreath - your questions, on their face, are supportive of Carter's non-existent competence. The fact that you would use his name in a Political discussion to support your America-hating obsession, eliminates all possibility of you being rational.

I can't help you, maybe if you had it translated to 'Red neck' or Braille?

Yeah...I hate America alright...yup, you got me on that one ya'll. Only not as much as you hate anything that isn't coming out of your rectum.

Quote from: Quick Karl on July 29, 2014, 06:37:30 AM
Are you seriously trying to suggest that Carter was competent as the President of ANY Country?

.....blah blah blah blah... I asked the questions.

Roughly how many un-affordable wars did Carter start? Roughly how many unregulated financial institutions fucked the economy in Carter's Presidency? Roughly how many foreign countries did Carter royally piss off compared with Bush?

I didn't mention ANYTHING about his competency. So, no, I wasn't "seriously suggesting that Carter was competent as the President of ANY Country."

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It would be one thing to hold a contrasting political belief - but to suggest that Carter was or is anything more than a fucking idiot that got swept from office like a steam-roller would crush an ant into fresh asphalt - is just plain fucking stupid as shit! It makes you look like a fucking idiot!!!!

Only I didn't suggest any of that. Quote where I did.

Get a grown up to read to you qunt; you spend too much time putting words in people's mouths.

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What happened in your life that you lay the blame for your unhappiness on Americans that Love their Country causing you to be obsessed with the political and philosophical beliefs of people in a country wholly removed from the shithole you live in, and that fought, AND WON, a War to achieve that blessed goal? Are you just angry that England lost? That game has been over for 238-years - don't you think it is time to let go?

Leave the best till last! You are the prize fighter qunt! I love how you (and other fucking historians like yourself) always come back to mention circa 1776. Alex Jones would happily let you bend over for him while you chant 'Independence' over and over.

Here it is again: I don't give a flying fuck about 1776, I really don't. It didn't and doesn't hurt me, nor anyone else in the UK. Only you hang onto it, and you weren't even around either; no doubt you'd have been there in DC at the fron...oh maybe not..You weren't there for the American Spring that you promoted so gainfully, so what are the chances if things went loud?

Roughly? Fuck all.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on July 29, 2014, 02:19:27 AM
We still have plenty of friends.  Although Obama has alienated many of them.

I'm not suggesting Obama should have solved all the problems, I'm saying he should be attempting to at least be present, and address them.  Do something.  Instead he spends his time golfing, vacationing, fundraising, and doing photo ops.  And lecturing the rest of us.  Fuck him.  He hasn't done a single positive thing since he's been in office, he has zero positive accomplishments. 

Unless you think dividing us further and getting the country into an uproar is an accomplishment




That is simply factually incorrect.

When Reagan took office the Soviet Union and it's proxies were on the march - in Afghanistan, in Angola, in Central America.  They were scaring the hell out of everyone with their missiles to the point the Libs here wanted to unilaterally disarm.

When he took office, home mortgage interest rates were 18%, inflation was over 10%, the reported unemployment rate was 8%.  The economy was stagnant, energy prices were through the roof.  It could be argued the economy was worse than what Obama inherited. 

But because it was fixed, and during the whole time the Libs were denouncing Reagan, not only does he not get credit we are told he was terrible and made everything worse.  By the same people who are now telling us what a wonderful job Obama has done.

In the words of our English friends, bollox.

Third time of asking; what would YOU do? How would you deal with things? Stage by stage, and incorporating all the things I mentioned, okay, not all, maybe 25% 

Quote from: Paper*Boy on July 29, 2014, 01:37:43 AM
Sometimes I wonder whether you are irrational or some sort of troll. 

So the issues Reagan dealt with are different than what Obama is dealing with.  And since they are now gone, they weren't really all that difficult.  Is that about the jist of it?

No, I'm saying that you're pretty much expecting Obama to try and solve the rest of the worlds problems with no input from the rest of the world. Reagan and Carter didn't royally piss off a great deal of the rest of the world the way Bush has. To those people whoever is the President is an irrelevance, all they see is the western filth.

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Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the issues Obama is dealing with look a lot more difficult because he is failing to solve any of them, as opposed to what Reagan faced because he was quite successful?

Reagan wasn't that successful, he simply didn't have the shit that Obama has now.
But go on then Kissinger II; what would YOU do? Step by step...how would you make the Good ole USA a more acceptable and respected country?

You didn't answer this:
Explain how you do diplomacy with a philosophy? How do you negotiate with the Mafia? How would you negotiate with the 1000's of separate factions? Many of which are fighting each other, as well as having a common enemy; you. That's before you even try to sort the perennial Israeli/ Palestinian slaughter. I haven't even mentioned Iranian nuclear capabilities, Chinese economic rise, North African troubles...None of which Reagan had to deal with.

Quote from: jazmunda on July 28, 2014, 05:38:52 PM
So a roundtable with special (and I mean special) guests Falkie, Casio, Fidget and Jackstar is out of the question?

How about a Secret Door show?

If that comes to fruition, will I not only cancel my subscription to support Gabcast, but I'll withdraw my offer to have your babies too. Aussie bastard; that's cruel and unusual punishment.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on July 28, 2014, 05:29:52 PM

I've posted much about Obama - which specific comments are you asking about?


Go study up on how Reagan and Thatcher used diplomacy, the so-called 'bully pulpit', and the military (note:  there is more to it than the 241 Marines killed in Lebanon).  Then get back to me with any Q's

Oh bless; your naivety is endearing sometimes. Shall we go back to that diplomacy? A time when the old Soviet Union was virtually bankrupt, but that didn't stop it invading Afghanistan anyway; the opposition trained, supplied and encouraged by the USA, specifically the CIA. Later this cosying up would come back to bite the arse of the NATO invasion in 2003-->.

The SU were sent packing out of the region, broken and humiliated..Restlessness within the regional SU countries, Hungary, Czech/ Slovakia, Poland, Romania, Ukraine... And a dynamic but western friendly leader had emerged in 1985, Mikhail Gorbachev. A man who Thatcher said she could do business with. A man who had read the big writing writ large on the wall of fate. The SU had to change radically, or the region sink into a far worse state than it already was.

What happened of course was cataclysmic. What emerged though after the departure of Gorby, was the rise and rise of the old SU elite, who now worked out in the open. Mafia, the oligarchs. Note; there was no Islamic rise at that time, that wasn't to happen for several years, long after Reagan had left office, and didn't get into it's stride until after his death.

Reagan wouldn't have had any more chance of 'diplomacy' with the present day world political/ faction map than Obama has to try to do now. It's a fruitless although laudable aspiration.

Explain how you do diplomacy with a philosophy? How do you negotiate with the Mafia? How would you negotiate with the 1000's of separate factions? Many of which are fighting each other, as well as having a common enemy; you. That's before you even try to sort the perennial Israeli/ Palestinian slaughter. I haven't even mentioned Iranian nuclear capabilities, Chinese economic rise, North African troubles...None of which Reagan had to deal with.

Go..

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on July 29, 2014, 12:38:54 AM
I do, yes. I think we've missed a lot of opportunities over the years to eliminate it. They were foiled both by big oil but also big green. Oil companies want to keep on pumping to oil-fired cars and power plants and big green went on a crusade against the best alternative: nuclear energy. Yes, nuclear accidents happen. Yes, nuclear waste is created. But those were solvable problems. We could have made electric cars viable decades ago as the price of oil rose, but it was simply not allowed to happen due to profit motives and the anti-humanist ideology of the environmentalists.

And just watch, both groups have come out against fusion energy already. Greenpeace releases anti-ITER statements and the protestors are showing up against it despite it being truly clean and safe energy. The "silver bullet" of solving the energy crisis is being killed while we screw around with wind farms (windmills are a bit more primitive than gasoline).

Oddly enough, I actually think it's even more primitive that we rely on steam for our electrical production. Most (not all!) sources of energy exist to make heat that turns water into steam that drives turbines. The concept of creating movement with steam is ancient, Heron of Alexandria did it 2000 years ago, and functional steam engines (the basic concept of a turbine) is entirely an 18th century idea. Yet that's how nuclear, oil, coal, etc. all fundamentally work. Given fusion development (if everyone stays out of the way) steam energy will be with us for centuries.

I'd say do a whole lot of research on the GMO phytoplankton before releasing it, and only then with global consent. Oceans are international after all. Hell, do 20 years of research in multiple countries to make sure we've got it right. But, yes, there is always the chance that they might not go extinct as designed and all the plant life dies because the phytoplankton ate all the carbon dioxide. In which case, we'll have start pumping and burning oil again. Gee, that will sure hurt.

That's not the only solution though. There's tons of them. Put a large stationary mylar solar shield in synchronous orbit with the earth to block a percentage of the sun's energy reaching the surface of the earth. Seed the atmosphere with reflective materials added to aircraft fuel. Build ultra-efficient artificial carbon sinks that can be turned off when needed. Build an artificially intelligent supercomputer that can model the atmosphere perfectly and invent a way to fix it that we haven't thought of (make no mistake, that sort of thing is well on it's way to reality).

Again, that's assuming that climate change is bad in the first place. It may be in certain cases, but no one ever talks about the positive effects of it. That's another big problem with it; all anyone wants to discuss are the negative effects. But, actually, there are positive effects too. It's been shown, for example, that the rise in carbon dioxide levels have increased crop yield globally. So, yeah, sea levels are rising, but the atmosphere has become more nutritious for the plant life.

It's a mixture of fantasy and wishful thinking your approach to real life isn't it? Mylar solar shields; invent this, invent that. No business plan to project how any of it will be paid for or by whom. But it's fine, because we can wait until it's too late and fear concentrates the mind. Rather than have 'liberals' try to make sure we don't have to be in that position..

Scenario: Would you like to be infected with Ebola virus on the chance that by the time you're about to die a vaccine would be discovered (Presumably by a non liberal scientist)  and available; or would you rather not be infected in the first place?


Oh it isn't just rising sea levels but temperature too; and that's a bad thing for all life. If you need to ask why, you're better sticking to Si-Fi.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on July 28, 2014, 11:53:33 PM
Take it up with him.  I didn't click on the link because I can't stand the sight of her or to listen to anything she says.  If she wasn't lying, it would be a first that I know of - maybe I should tune in for this historic moment.


Well, I offer you the examples of Reagan turning things around after the Carter disasters vs Obama making things worse after the Bush disasters

Roughly how many un-affordable wars did Carter start? Roughly how many unregulated financial institutions fucked the economy in Carter's Presidency? Roughly how many foreign countries did Carter royally piss off compared with Bush?

Quote from: onan on July 28, 2014, 12:30:10 PM
I sincerely apologize to you sir. I didn't mean to include you in my prior comment. You are definitely worth the money we pay you.

I'm tired of having to change $Aus though..Jaz knows they're not legal tender in the UK. In a year I might have enough to change into £10.

Quote from: onan on July 28, 2014, 12:13:15 PM
Yeah and a few of those writers are paid way too much.

If you can get unfunny, schoolboy humoured material for less money than you don't pay us, you're welcome to try. We don't have to stand for such insults, we can sit down.

Quote from: b_dubb on July 28, 2014, 12:02:30 PM
I don't know what the GabCast did to deserve this kind of disrespect in our thread.  I mean ... sure ... we shill for a corporation that would just as soon poison you as help you groom your mustache.  And yeah we run an ad for an extremely sketchy law office that would probably make Saul from Breaking Bad look like a paragon of honesty and principled living.  And yeah we're really into bathroom humor for some reason.  And we let an Australian co-host. 

On second thought ... let it rip.  The GabCast totally deserves this kind of treatment.  Please continue.

It must be good to have others write your material for free.

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on July 28, 2014, 12:02:17 PM
I thought that would tickle your fanny fancy.  Am I still reported?

Unreported. And a special bonus endorsement.

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on July 28, 2014, 11:49:51 AM
There would be nothing gratuitous about it, and I assure you she would be spanked in the most wholesome of ways.  And there really isn't a back (or backside) story.  There's just something delightfully titillating about swatting saucy sprites and paddling pert pixies.  Am I right, guys?

Oh I say!!!