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Quote from: Quick Karl on July 30, 2014, 05:29:28 AM

Is that all you got?

Fucking hell; a dangling bogey is better than anything you've ever put forward as meaningful. If they could store irrational and barely contained rage and turn it into electricity, you'd solve the planet's energy crises for decades.

Quote from: Chaim on July 30, 2014, 06:49:32 AM
I watched that part of the video now, have to admit what they show with this commercial radar video and what they explain is total bollocks. Looks like they have total morons running their Ministry when they let a guy give a presentation that you can only believe if you don't watch it and rely on summaries given in the media about it. If that is their only proof of a Sukhoi I don't buy it myself now.

Whilst we're on aeroplanes; did you look up NOTAM and flight plans?

Quote from: Chaim on July 30, 2014, 04:23:15 AM
No it doesn't. No I didn't say that. Learn to read, dumbo.
The rest of your statement is purely made up fiction.

I don't know who shot it down. I could have been the planes, could have been Ukrainian SAM or Rebel SAM (not sure they have Buks), or even a bomb on board.
The Rebels might have shot it down, but  Kiev deliberately (under oder from US intelligence) did everything they could to make them shoot it down.
Why? - Because a tragedy like this is exactly what the US needs to get EU to boycott Russia even more.

The Ukrainian figher-jets near the plane hint towards this. They could have lured a Rebel SAM to fire, or maybe just used the plane as some sort of cover, bomb some targets in the east and get the SAMs to fire at the next plane that comes through.
OR
The Ukrainian Army shot it down with their own Buk - coldblooded - actually this is even more likely, since a US plan to kill that plane does not depend on Rebel participation this way.
OR
The planes shot it down. It's probably hard to find out which type of missile did the kill, and easy to cover up and blame a Rebel Buk (haven't seen any evidence they even have such a system and not just shoulder fired missiles).

Made up fiction...

Quote from: Quick Karl on July 29, 2014, 08:08:26 PM

This is what will make loons like Onan happy.

If Onan is a loon, I hate to think what the diagnosis on you is. Should you even be allowed to live and have access to the internet??

One day sonny you'll need help and you won't be able to help yourself, and no-one else will help you as they drop their eyes in pity and mutter 'Dead beat asshole liberal'...and shuffle on by. But it's okay, because your prophecy will have been fulfilled.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on July 30, 2014, 03:06:39 AM
HPV is rampant already. You're saying that we shouldn't cure squamous cell-type cancers in favor of preventative spreading of HPV and the rarer risk it carries for cervical cancer (which may well also be curable by these sorts of drugs)? Quit injecting your politics into medicine please. We're talking about the advancement of the human race here. But I guarantee, and will bet on the reality that you will be successful in neutering the cure for cancer.

Nothing to do with politics. It's all to do with risk. If you think cervical cancer is a risk worth taking, you have no valid opinion. And how dare you accuse me of wanting to neuter a cure for cancer. I have lost family members because of it and a close friend came out of breast cancer treatment, who really didn't want to die.

Quote from: Chaim on July 30, 2014, 03:12:19 AM
that's a nice text. I like it. But it doesn't proof anything or disprove anything I wrote.

Well yes it does. You said the Ukrainians shot it down with fighters. Or is it aliens now?

It also explains overflying the country (MA17 was one of many overflights that week). It wasn't known it was an airliner because those with the system didn't have the data (and were probably drunk)..They saw an aeroplane overhead and assumed it was a Ukrainian transport aircraft...once launched you can't bring them back. 

Quote from: Chaim on July 30, 2014, 03:05:50 AM
that's right. run like a beaten bitch. don't address my replies, don't provide any evidence for the hot air you  produced. you're wasting forum space and are hurting the forum in general and its reputation. go write a haiku for Noory or something if you can even do that.

Oooooo I'm scared!!! No really. All those harsh words you call me, I don't know how I'll cope. It still doesn't make your status any better chummy.

I doubt you'll read the following because you didn't read it on a CT website. It's written by someone who has knowledge of such things.

The long-range air-defence systems which *do* have this capability (More than FL300) are integrated radar, control and missile-launch systems. These systems are big and relatively complex, and cannot be setup and operated by untrained personnel just by reading the owner's handbook.

All of the known variants of these systems have the ability to take a data-feed from the civil Air Traffic Management network which provides the tracks and sqawks (transponder codes) of all civil aircraft operating in the controlled airspace, together with the data feed from the Secondary Surveillance Radar and ADSB networks (the thing you can get from sites like Flightradar24).

Even under major war conditions people would not normally consider operating this kind of air defence system *without* those data feeds - even if their moral compass cared little for the risk of downing a civil airliner they wouldn't want to waste an expensive missile (the long range ones are big and expensive pieces of kit) and potentially disclosing the launch location by firing at a civilian aeroplane.

From the above it would seem that (if it was shot down) it was shot down by a skilled and experienced operator operating a long-range air defence system *without* the civil ATM datafeeds. This would tend to suggest it was a "rebel" rather than "Ukranian state" or "Russian" action.

Flying civil airliners over the top of war zones is not uncommon, largely because they are above the range of anything which might hit them by accident and easily identifiable as non-combatant by things which might be aimed at them. The only thing that generally closes civil air lanes is a symmetrical air war (ie one with modern jet fighters operating on both sides), and sometimes not even then.

I can remember flying over the top of Afghanistan when it was still a pitched battle. So the presence of the airliner over the contested parts of Ukraine was not an especially risky act or an explicit piece of cost-saving by a particular airline.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on July 30, 2014, 02:55:40 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_and_neck_cancer

Tumors in the head and neck. Basically squamous cell carcinomas in the head and neck, inherently related to squamous cell cancers linked to smoking related lung cancers. etc. Oddly, one of the major risk factors for head and neck cancer is the HPV virus from oral sex with a woman. Eating pussy gives you neck cancer. Obviously we need a cure, fast. But just watch how many bureaucratic things get in the way of it worldwide. You do not live in a world where someone invents something amazing and innovates like 50 years ago, you live in a world where only certain inventions are allowed and everything else gets lost in the politics. The world is not progressive even when run by people claiming to be progressives.

You've misunderstood. The 'cure' has a prognostic high risk of HPV. In other words you'll have someone taking the cure and passing on HPV to sexual partners (male and female--it's not just oral sex with women only).

Quote from: Chaim on July 30, 2014, 02:39:13 AM
Moron, I posted some links that give some overview over the questions raised.
Mostly for people who are too lazy to google, and because it has more info than most mainstream news who write crap articles like "Putin's Missile" - who look more like a NAZI Propaganda release than credible news.
Most of the stuff in the links i posted is questions anyway, questions aren't true or false, idiot.
Yes smartass, I haven't,  like millions of other people who are looking into this and asking questions.
Like Obama, Clinton, and that Pentagon-hag in the press conferences hasn't either.
You must have IQ80 to even ask this.
The examination is a small part of the whole affair, you retard. You can't ignore the fact that they were flying directly over a known warzone where several planes got shot down in the weeks prior.
I didn't say that you deceiving worm.
They were ordered to decend though and were flying just on the edge of the allowed corridor.
Also, we need to hear the conversation with the control tower about to see several things.
- orders to change flight route and height
- awareness of fighter jets in the area
- anything else that they might have noticed and talked about.
Russian Defence Ministry in a Press conference gave an analysis of their radar data they have from Ukrain airspace.
US has been silent about that so far - since days - unfortunately.

from a video of a Buk Launcher taken in city held by Ukrainian Army, city is identified by the name of a car-repair shop advertisement and street address in the video
debunked where? give me a good link, moron, I look into it.

My my, who's been thumbing through his book of pronouns mummy bought him for his birthday? You don't know what you're talking about either. Typical CT tactic though, I admire you for sticking to the script. You wouldn't want to be seen as a traitor to the cause would you?

Quote from: Chaim on July 30, 2014, 02:43:11 AM
Moron, you know everybody can make a twitter account under whatever name he wants. This is no conclusive evidence for anything.

And anyone can type on a conspiracy theory website... Oh wait, that's different.

Still doesn't explain the intercepted phone calls, or the rush to destroy the evidence by the Russians...

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on July 30, 2014, 01:28:05 AM

It works pretty good for melanoma, but demonstrated a 93% complete response in head and neck cancer, with the other 7% undergoing stable disease. Now, look closely: the trial for head and neck cancer was halted. I will bet you guys a pair of MV's week old skivvies to send George that this class of drugs will be purposely curtailed. I know you're thinking "yeah, drug companies don't like cures" but that won't be it. It will be the FDA or some other authority in government that mires it in red tape or requires reformulation to a less-effective form because we simply cannot have people living longer and burdening the system. It will then go into the arena of the UN, which will actively interfere with distribution because it's anti-population control. I've seen it before. And if you remind me, I'll periodically update you how humanity will be held back from a cure for cancer. It'll take five years, but I dare you.

What is neck and head cancer? What other data do you have? What are you daring Onan and me about?

Edit: Yes, here's the reason it was halted for squamous cell cancer in neck and head...

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After Amgen acquired T-VEC in 2011, they halted the trial due to the "changing therapeutic landscape for patients with SCCHN"â€" presumably the discovery of HPV status as a major prognostic risk factor in SCCHN.[20]

You know what HPV is don't you?

Quote from: Chaim on July 30, 2014, 02:19:56 AM
they have been shooting down planes and choppers for weeks, moron.
also some dude posting on twitter is no solid evidence for anything, I can make 10 twitter accounts for Art Bell and post some bullshit. It happes every day.

ROFL....You're priceless!! Why would they remove a posting on twitter if they had the courage of their convictions? Yet you then post links from people who haven't been outside the USA (well specifically their mothers basement) and cite them as fact! You do know how AA missile systems work don't you? Please explain how they do for the masses...I'm keen for your insight....

Quote from: jazmunda on July 30, 2014, 02:11:23 AM
I agree. Donatello could be played by Donatella Versace.

And scare the kids? You heartless bastard.

Reported. 

Quote from: Chaim on July 29, 2014, 11:21:10 PM
I was wondering why there's no topic about this important event here.
So lets start it here, and give your take on what happened and who is behind it all.

Who knows.

Your opening post. (My bold).Essentially you're asking other people for their view, yes? However your unsaid proviso is that they have to concur with your CT links and bullshit to be valid? Is that correct?

Okay..how do you explain the intercepts that have the Russian friendly separatists posting a twatter feed saying they brought down a Ukranian transport aircraft (believed to be a An26), and later removing it when they discovered it wasn't a transport aircraft? The intercepted telephone call that had them on site telling the Russians they'd brought down an airliner and working out a damage limitation plan?

I'm surprised you haven't posted those links....being so keen to get the truth etc...

Does unboxing cause a stiffy? Iphone 6...because the first 5 were overpriced junk.

They can't possibly get their arms, legs, and head under their shells. I say it's fake CGI. That's offensive.

Quote from: Chaim on July 30, 2014, 01:28:53 AM
Moron, you don't need to be a baker to know when bread is bad.
Warren Commission anybody? Don't question it, no, it's all true what they say.

Oh, but copying and pasting CT web links is true? I see where you're coming from....Is that an admission you haven't actually been privy to any air accident investigation? Yeah...that'll be it.

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Also, this isn't about examining a plane crash for the most part. How many of the experts you talk about can see the difference between a plane destroyed by a Missile fired from a Buk owned by Separatists vs a BUK fired by Ukrainian Military, or a Sidewinder Missle?
Also, the examination on the ground is just a small part.

The examination on the ground is crucial you thick twat. If you don't understand why, you're way way beyond your depth.

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More interesting are the machinations around the whole incident, like
* who gave the order to the plane to fly lower and that route

Look up flight planning. Look up NOTAM. Look up how they didn't fly lower than recommended..

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* why where Ukrainian fighterjets near the plane and what was their mission

Yeah? Who says so?

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* those fighter pilots need to be get into a cross examination hearing to see if they lie about anything

Which ones? Where is your information coming from?

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* why did the Ukrainian Army have Buk Launchers stationed near the Separatist Area just days before the incident - the rebels don't have planes.

Again.. Where is your information coming from?

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* what about the video released by Ukraine about that rebel commander talking about a plane crash - with a video creation day of July 16th 7pm - a day before the crash

Oh the one that was debunked? That one?

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* this video needs to be examined forenically. I suppose it was just a cut and paste patchwork of previous rebel communication.

What? You condemn cut and paste? Exactly how much new forensic evidence have you brought to the party?

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the list goes on and on... this doesn't smell like a false flag, it's stinking like a whole latrine system already.

Oh it stinks alright, but not for the reasons you've lifted off the tinfoil hat shop sites.

Quote from: Unscreened Caller on July 30, 2014, 12:01:22 AM
If I understand this correctly, there are over 2,000 compelling UFO cases with the data spread across data bases, plus reports of sightings going back for centuries. Historical reports of UFOs have never been formally researched.  What this meeting called for was gathering all this data and analyzing it. He threw out a couple of possibilities: UFO hotspots, physical evidence gathered from reported landings like change in plants, soil.  etc. Are there similarities in events like these, and can they be used to predict where UFO sightings might be more likely to appear? Are there similar patterns to scorch marks? Those were just a couple of examples. The actual proposal is for a worldwide data base that will take all this data and  be used to predict trends, find patterns and similarities. and put a unified, global perspective on the phenomenon.

Hadn't Steven Greer done all that at $2000 a visit to his ranch?

Quote from: Chaim on July 30, 2014, 12:44:28 AM
The public deserves indeed the evidence that the US and NATO has because our elected governments already put more sanctions on Russia because of the incident. We are already engaged in economic warfare against Russia, hell yes we deserve to see the evidence they base their crap decisions on. They are already hurting not only Russia but also directly the economy in Europe.

You deserve bugger all; you're incapable of understanding it anyway, so why waste anyone's time trying to inform you?  To date, how many aircrash investigations have you been directly involved in? How many investigators have come to you for your insight, unbiased objective thinking skills and forensic analysis? Roughly?
Of the following how many were you given updates about? JAL 123 (1985); AH5017 (2014); TAM 3054 (2007); AA587 (2001); AF 4590 (2000).

All really happened, all involved casualties..so of those how many pieces of 'investigation' have you been involved in?

Quote from: albrecht on July 30, 2014, 12:16:47 AM
Of course! Now the question is what the evidence is and why we aren't privy too it. And why the delays? Political reasons, sure. Not revealing sources and methods or what we can "see" also understandable, but to think that we have no coverage of area and don't know what happened, or at least have date to sort through,  is ridiculous!

Why should you be privy to it? Were you privy to the Kenilworth crash? Were you privy to any aircrash investigation? The crash investigators can't get to the site and not all the bodies have yet been recovered, yet you think you deserve a minute by minute e mail update? Incredible.

Quote from: Chaim on July 30, 2014, 12:00:29 AM
I posted the 2 articles because they give a good summary about what the Russian Defence Ministry recently showed and their questions to the US. They released their data about the situation, especially that there were Ukrainian fighter jets right next to the Airliner (closer than 1Km).
Everybody already knows what the controlled corporate media is hyping - stuff like "PUTIN'S MISSILE" "PUTIN'S VICTIMS" and other such valuable mainstream media contributions. Obviously they are participating in an effort to paint Russia as the new Nazi Germans (as long as Russia refuses to become a slave to western globalist and bankers).

Ahh I get it: Mafia boss gives gang member a machine gun who negligently shoots a shop full of customers. All hell breaks loose. Everyone points at mafia boss as being responsible. Mafia boss says 'nothing to do with me guv' and is surprised he's held to account, and so are you....I see how your logic works.

Quote from: albrecht on July 29, 2014, 11:57:11 PM
Of course. All the more telling and weird that their wasn't more evidence presented. Like we don't have AWACS or satellites looking at his "minor" situation in the area! Or much better things that I'm not aware of. Because, in your naive view, I guess, we wouldn't be looking at that area!

Just because it isn't posted in easy to read chunks on the internet doesn't mean the evidence isn't there.

Quote from: albrecht on July 29, 2014, 11:47:34 PM
What is telling is why no evidence showing up? Don't get me wrong. Likely these separatists using Buk system etc. But, we, won't acknowledge? Show sat tracks, Buk movements, etc? We aren't looking? Despite my "hate" of Obama I reckon there are still some people looking at other countries and not spending all our money on surveilling US citizens.  There is no intel of this area or shooting incident? Because likely more important to use it in other ways. Or even to try to deescalate. Or escalate.

A downed airliner shot down in the middle of an area where a civil war is going on isn't evidence? Are you being serious?

Quote from: Chaim on July 29, 2014, 11:40:07 PM
so far I have seen zero valuable contribution for a debate from you, only childish insults. Please stay on topic if you have anything relevant to say and try to behave a bit civilized.

I don't need your endoresment to post what I like. You're wrong if you believe all the shit you've posted. Posting links from conspiracy websites isn't anything but childish and a demonstration of your non thinking. I won't dignify it by calling it research.

Quote from: Chaim on July 29, 2014, 11:33:22 PM
sorry buddy, it's reality. and what does that have to do with critical thinking? please spare me your crocodile tears BS. US news is often showing much more bloddy stuff.

Does it mean I agree they show it? You'd be kicking off if they were your family members.

Yes I can see how you'd think all that, but you're restricted because you're a) an idiot b) you get your info from CT websites, and c) you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Other than that you might be taken seriously.

Other than there's no need to reproduce the undignified image of dead bodies the rest of your post is crap. Have you ever tried critical thinking once in a while?

Quote from: coaster on July 29, 2014, 02:06:50 PM
40 heads of state from Africa are coming to the US for a three day summit. I find it very odd that this would happen considering the ebola outbreak.

Africa is quite big. Well really big really. The Ebola outbreak is restricted to a very small part.

Quote from: Mr. Fidget on July 29, 2014, 01:20:30 PM
   For the record misinformed fools, with MV as my witness, I have never been banned from bellgab. Nor have I ever "threatened" legal action against bellgab or any other participant in this forum. Your inability to discern truth, from fiction, is why you're wasting the surplus of free time that you have, in my thread.
   

Oh yes you did!! You made veiled threats to sue Gabcast and MV..Later you tried to pass it off as joking and that you were misunderstood (Oh boy I bet that one follows you through life!), but you did make the threats.