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Quote from: PB the Deplorable on March 07, 2017, 10:39:39 PM
But the people in Venezuela, they wanted the disaster their guy caused?

Ask them, because I've never been there and am not privy to their thinking or decision making.

Meister_000

Quote from: Taaroa on March 07, 2017, 11:46:04 PM
A day without women drivers sounds lovely   ::)

l did chuckle btw  :D  but lots of young male drivers these days are giving any old would-be record-holders a run for their money.  Sociopathy or at minimum narcissism is rampant amoung urban yutes at least. The "ninja" parkers come to mind â€" squeezing themselves in (banging into front and rear vehicles all the while) and boxing you in, etc.

TigerLily

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on March 07, 2017, 10:28:30 PM

I did, thanks for the link.

My original questions were how requiring proof of citizenship to register, and a photo ID to vote, are discriminatory and suppress the minority vote.

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I am willing to discuss this further. I'm not sure how coherent I will be; I have a headache tonight. Maybe this time I should relax and let you do all the work. But I will try.

Below are some sites that explain in great detail why voter i.d. laws are considered discriminatory. They will explain it much better than I can in my current state. And what is your current State? I posted the registration and voting procedure of mine a few pages back. California ... and the Constitution ... consider voting a right, not a privilege. California philosophy is that all people benefit when more people vote. California tries to remove roadblocks from the voting process not erect them.

https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
"Voter ID laws deprive many voters of their right to vote, reduce participation, and stand in direct opposition to our country’s trend of including more Americans in the democratic process. Many Americans do not have one of the forms of identification states acceptable for voting. These voters are disproportionately low-income, racial and ethnic minorities, the elderly, and people with disabilities.  Such voters more frequently have difficulty obtaining ID, because they cannot afford or cannot obtain the underlying documents that are a prerequisite to obtaining government-issued photo ID card."

http://www.benjerry.com/whats-new/2016/discriminatory-voter-id-laws (And who can argue with Ben & Jerry? Especially Cherry Garcia)?
"Don't all Americans have ID? What’s the big deal?
At first blush, the idea of having everyone identify themselves at the polls doesn’t seem too controversial, right? After all, ID is required for all sorts of transactions, everything from renting a car to obtaining a library card. The truth is, though, that while many of us may not find these voting requirements too difficult to manage, a policy can’t be judged solely on how the affluent or comfortable handle it. We have to ensure that everyone else has access and opportunity, too. And studies have shown some people in this country are far less likely to have a valid ID than others."

Here are a couple more. One pro one con

http://www.rnntv.com/content/voter-id-laws-reasonable-not-racist

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/how-voter-id-laws-discriminate-study/517218/

Do a Google search on "why are voter i.d. laws considered discriminatory"  You will get lots of information pro and con. If you do want to have further discussion I'm willing when I feel better.

Meister_000

We spend $30 million a month on Melania in NYC
but Military Childcare programs are now Suspended
â€" due to Donald Trumps hiring/spending freezes.

Meister_000

Don't worry Dear. Uncle Donny promised us he'll strengthen the military so that it’s “so big and so strong, and so great” that, “nobody’s going to mess with us.” √

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: TigerLily on March 08, 2017, 12:57:02 AM
I have a headache tonight.

It's probably because you're trying to resolve two contradictory ideas in your head at the same time. Classic double bind situation caused by years of psycho-social programing designed to keep you in your cage and not rocking the boat. Trump is taking your cage away and like any prisoner you've developed a fair degree of Munchausen syndrome and are panicking now. Reason is the only hope now for curing your cognitive dissonance. Abandon ideological thinking and start dealing with reality.  ;)

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on March 08, 2017, 12:03:12 AM
Ask them, because I've never been there and am not privy to their thinking or decision making.

Oh, I thought you might know.  These little revolutions all seems to follow a similar path I thought you may be familiar with.  It all sounds sooo good when it's being proposed to the mis-educated.  Hate for anyone resisting works up the naïve.  A country is seized.  Somewhere along the way people wake up to the reality, and at some point it's decided the revolution wasn't done right - but next time it will be grand.


Do you know if the Left-wing elites are still going back and forth between Hollywood and Caracas, DC and Caracas, New York and Caracas, bringing back reports of the joys of socialism, or has that deflated a bit recently?


paladin1991

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on March 07, 2017, 01:29:05 PM
Well now isn't that interesting.  Tell me why I should believe that an obscene call to my home from a dyke sounding female wasn't made by, or at the behest of, a looney tune like Meister.  Are you telling me that it was a different looney tune.  As a matter of fact you are one of the others that I have had frank exchanges with but I have yet to eliminate you.    Could it be that you are also a Dyke with penis envy mv.  The thought has entered my mind.

The fact that you don't see anything wrong with making an obscene anonymous phone call says volumes about you.  You are a cowardly piece of shit.   

Fixed.

Quote from: pyewacket on March 07, 2017, 08:51:31 PM
That is what scares me. They actually think communism works...

Distilled down to it's essence, they believe they are driving inevitable social ''Progress'', and everyone resisting is a ''Reactionary''.  They don't need to look at the destruction their policies create, and aren't interested.  It doesn't matter, it will all work itself out.  They know best.  Utopia is just ahead.   

There is no reasoning with that.


Quote from: PB the Deplorable on March 08, 2017, 01:11:53 AM
Oh, I thought you might know.  These little revolutions all seems to follow a similar path I thought you may be familiar with.  It all sounds sooo good when it's being proposed to the mis-educated.  Hate for anyone resisting works up the naïve.  A country is seized.  Somewhere along the way people wake up to the reality, and at some point it's decided the revolution wasn't done right - but next time it will be grand.


Do you know if the Left-wing elites are still going back and forth between Hollywood and Caracas, DC and Caracas, New York and Caracas, bringing back reports of the joys of socialism, or has that deflated a bit recently?

I have no idea, because Danny Glover and Susan Sarandon don't return my phone calls, and the terms of various restraining orders prohibit me from contacting just about every other celebrity with the firsthand experience to adequately answer your question. Sorry.


SredniVashtar

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on March 07, 2017, 08:53:40 PM
There was plenty of both.  Rolling government back is positive.  Draining the swamp is positive.  Controlling our borders is positive.  Putting America first when dealing with other countries is positive.  Screening refugees for terrorists hiding among them is positive.  Getting rid of ObamaCara is a positive.  Downsizing government is a positive [you already had that one].  And so is the rest of it.

No, none of these things are constructive, they are all reactions against things you don't like. Trump's policies are the essence of negation: the only thing is,  you have a religious faith that something good will crawl into the vacuum when he's swept it all away, while other people think it just increases inequality and the bank balances of a few fatcats. You believe in what Marx would have called formal freedom as opposed to material freedom. At least that's a position, and I'd rather hear you defend that than blithering on with a few media talking points about draining the swamp.

To take just one example there. Trump can't conceive of a situation where you can have a positive sum game; if you don't screw the other guy then you aren't really 'winning'. This is just backward, but people like you defend it because you think international cooperation is somehow wrong and sinister.






Taaroa

Quote from: Meister_000 on March 08, 2017, 12:10:53 AM
l did chuckle btw  :D  but lots of young male drivers these days are giving any old would-be record-holders a run for their money.  Sociopathy or at minimum narcissism is rampant amoung urban yutes at least.

At least here the worst drivers I see (excluding taxis) are nearly all women, and mostly they are driving SUVs. Just the other day I had one nearly hit the side of my car while I had right of way and was already going through a round-about (she just waved at me and carried on through when I blasted my horn), and a minute later another one suddenly decided to do a U turn on a steep narrow downhill road with no warning.
Luckily I can do most of my errands at night now when the roads are empty of everyone other than car jackers...

Quote from: Meister_000 on March 08, 2017, 12:10:53 AM
The "ninja" parkers come to mind â€" squeezing themselves in (banging into front and rear vehicles all the while) and boxing you in, etc.

I have never seen that here, but I did see it in New York. You even see cars with these things:


Meister_000

Video [7 mins] Keith Olbermann
March 7, 2017
The Head-Of-State-Of-Paranoia peddled a conspiracy (Obama phone-tap). What happens when he peddles a fake security threat?
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Meister_000

TODAY: March 8th 2017
"A Day Without A Woman"
National Strike!

Meister_000

Quote from: Taaroa on March 08, 2017, 04:44:56 AM
At least here the worst drivers I see (excluding taxis) are nearly all women, and mostly they are driving SUVs. Just the other day I had one nearly hit the side of my car while I had right of way and was already going through a round-about (she just waved at me and carried on through when I blasted my horn), and a minute later another one suddenly decided to do a U turn on a steep narrow downhill road with no warning.
Luckily I can do most of my errands at night now when the roads are empty of everyone other than car jackers...

I have never seen that here, but I did see it in New York. You even see cars with these things:



Yes, just love that little wave and cute (oops!) smile. grrr  ;)
Oh, I see now, that flap folds up while parked(?). Good enough idea (but a pain in the arse).

Taaroa

Quote from: Meister_000 on March 08, 2017, 04:58:56 AM
Oh, I see now, that flap folds up while parked(?). Good enough idea (but a pain in the arse).
I think it just stays where it is. A bull bar is a better idea really.



Meister_000

Quote from: Taaroa on March 08, 2017, 05:10:42 AM
I think it just stays where it is. A bull bar is a better idea really.

Yup, that'll work â€" and nudge someone forward a bit in a pinch :D .

Meister_000

TODAY: March 8th 2017
International Women's Day

YouTube Logo site-wide Overlay:

"Her Voice Is My Voice"

Meister_000

NYTimes: 3-7-17
Government moves “at the speed of Trust,” observes Stephen M. R. Covey

“There is one thing that is common to every individual, relationship, team, family, organization, nation, economy, and civilization throughout the world â€" one thing which, if removed, will destroy the most powerful government, the most successful business, the most thriving economy, the most influential leadership, the greatest friendship, the strongest character, the deepest love. … That one thing is Trust.”

Quote from: SredniVashtar on March 08, 2017, 02:51:37 AM
No, none of these things are constructive, they are all reactions against things you don't like. Trump's policies are the essence of negation: the only thing is,  you have a religious faith that something good will crawl into the vacuum when he's swept it all away, while other people think it just increases inequality and the bank balances of a few fatcats. You believe in what Marx would have called formal freedom as opposed to material freedom. At least that's a position, and I'd rather hear you defend that than blithering on with a few media talking points about draining the swamp.

To take just one example there. Trump can't conceive of a situation where you can have a positive sum game; if you don't screw the other guy then you aren't really 'winning'. This is just backward, but people like you defend it because you think international cooperation is somehow wrong and sinister.

These are changes in direction on issues that either don't work or aren't working for the best interests of the people of this country.  In other words, positive change.  The problem is, they're working just great for the fat cat corporation executives and the Washington DC elite as is.

Whether Trump follows through or not, or is able to follow through against all the disruption is a different matter.  It's not really about Trump - the people of this country were demanding most of this be done even before Obama arrived on the scene

It's not worth arguing over semantics, you can label it anything you want.  The Left is very good with clever misleading labels


And by the way, Globalism is not synonymous with international cooperation, but nice try. 


Quote from: Meister_000 on March 08, 2017, 07:02:51 AM
NYTimes: 3-7-17
Government moves “at the speed of Trust,” observes Stephen M. R. Covey

“There is one thing that is common to every individual, relationship, team, family, organization, nation, economy, and civilization throughout the world â€" one thing which, if removed, will destroy the most powerful government, the most successful business, the most thriving economy, the most influential leadership, the greatest friendship, the strongest character, the deepest love. … That one thing is Trust.”


Where was this guy for the Clinton, Bush Jr, and Obama regimes?  Where was he during Hilary's campaign?

When the Democrat Fake News Media starts reporting events accurately and fairly, and covers issues, ideas and political figures on an evenhanded basis, people will begin to take them more seriously.

Meister_000

Quote from: Meister_000 on March 08, 2017, 07:02:51 AM
NYTimes: 3-7-17
Government moves “at the speed of Trust,” observes Stephen M. R. Covey

“There is one thing that is common to every individual, relationship, team, family, organization, nation, economy, and civilization throughout the world â€" one thing which, if removed, will destroy the most powerful government, the most successful business, the most thriving economy, the most influential leadership, the greatest friendship, the strongest character, the deepest love. … That one thing is Trust.”


From the same article (forgot the link last time):
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/opinion/peanut-butter-on-the-trump-teams-chins.html

"There is nothing more dangerous than a U.S. president who’s squandered his trust before he has to lead us through a crisis."

Meister_000

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on March 07, 2017, 04:34:23 PM
Universal, single payer...is the only viable alternative. Monthly premiums could be based on ones income, resulting in a tier payment system--everyone covered. The powerful insurance lobby in D.C. will never allow this, via the GOP hands they've greased.

From the link I posted above:

Republicans say their plan could save costs by letting people choose insurance plans that are less comprehensive than those required under ObamaCare. But according to the analysis, on average, most insured under ObamaCare would see their prices rise under the GOP plan.

Wasn't this the crux of the reason the GOP gave for repealing the ACA in the first place? To lower premiums? WTF?

[just passing along some possible fuel]

JUST IN: American Medical Assn (AMA) says House GOP bill would "reverse the coverage gains" of Obamacare, cause millions to lose coverage. Nation's leading doctors' lobby writes commitee leaders that; it "cannot support" the GOP replacement proposal
https://www.ama-assn.org/sites/default/files/media-browser/public/washington/ama-letter-on-ahca.pdf

From @JamesSurowiecki
If GOP plan is enacted, a 64-year-old who earns $20K a year would have to pay, literally, almost 50% of his income for insurance.

From @imillhiser
Under the GOP health plan, a 60 year-old couple earning $30k would see their health premiums go up more than 8 fold
https://thinkprogress.org/6-terrible-ideas-included-in-the-house-gops-health-bill-ce2236cbe191#.lewda22mz

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paladin1991

Quote from: Meister_000 on March 08, 2017, 04:45:20 AM
TODAY: March 8th 2017
"A Day Without A Woman"
National Strike!

Oh Good!  A poster depicting another day in Senda's life.  Wait.  Wrong thread. 

paladin1991

Quote from: Meister_000 on March 08, 2017, 04:45:20 AM
TODAY: March 8th 2017
"A Day Without A Woman"
National Strike!

I wonder how this is going to work out.  I know that where I work, nobody was talking about this.  And I do have a number of snowflakes employed there, is this a secret strike?  At my place of employment, it is very possible that if someone 'walked' or didn't show up, they would be terminated without hesitation.  'Abandonment of Employment,' it is called.  If they called in and asked to be excused because they are 'striking,' they would be laughed at and advised come to work or face termination. 

If they lied and said they were 'sick', wouldn't that just prove that they were pussies and don't have the balls to support their 'Womans Strike?'

pyewacket

Quote from: Pulling my Pud in Yorkshire on March 08, 2017, 09:58:26 AM

...If they lied and said they were 'sick', wouldn't that just prove that they were pussies and don't have the balls to support their 'Womans Strike?'

From what I can see this is an effective fund raising ploy and women have been conditioned to participate before this latest cause.

If you have the time and the inclination to watch the documentary, Pink Ribbon, Inc. you will see how this evolved and how profitable it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOk3cJKAsDQ&t=3154s

Some interesting people involved.

The Women Movement’s Embrace of Rape-Torturer Psychopath Donna Hylton

https://spectator.org/the-women-movements-embrace-of-psychopath-donna-hylton/

Crime and Punishment?
Describes the participation of Donna Hylton in the kidnap and murder of real estate broker, Thomas Vigliarole. Background of Hylton; Description of the crime; Life in the prison.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199507/crime-and-punishment

Women of America: we're going on strike. Join us so Trump will see our power

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/06/women-strike-trump-resistance-power?CMP=share_btn_fb

The above article has links for info on the organizers.

Despite any misgivings I have about it all- I am grateful to live in a country where people can engage in this sort of activity by choice.

pyewacket

As for me, I will be extra nice to my husband today, as if that's possible. I will make him a turkey dinner just because he likes it and it will make him feel special. (the turkey probably won't like it)

Some music for you men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7iXpTJk15s

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