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Quote from: NoMoreNoory on June 05, 2018, 11:47:59 PM
... Joorch announced, there is 'a row of handicapped seats for those people who are wheelchair accessible'.

-GNS

Lol

If Whitely got to keep the Dreamland name, and Noory got to keep the Coast to Coast name, why doesn't Heather get to keep the Midnight In The Desert name?

That's not right.  She should keep fighting.

Quote from: Dreamlander on June 05, 2018, 06:23:22 PM
Heather's obsession with this whole concept of legacy and clinging to anything Art as a co-branding exercise is so odd.  She's a footnote in Art's legacy...

If that. Not even that.

Spelled Wad wrong

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 05, 2018, 05:19:10 PM
Before he came along were they really standing in the way of that though?! It didn't seem that way to me but what do I know?! I'm just the dumbest Bellgabber, apparently.

Were you not paying attention to the difference in what Obama was able to get through Congress before and after the Ds in the Senate lost their filibuster-proof majority?  Just one difference - How did that phony judge Obama appointed to the Supreme Court, Garland Merrick, do?

Other than Continuing Resolutions (because the Republican Congress and Obama couldn't agree on annual budgets) what legislation did they pass for him?  Had the Ds continued to hold both houses, do you think they wouldn't have passed a bunch of ''progressive'' legislation?

Yes, the Rs should have opposed him more strongly, taken more of a stand and made a bigger stink when he went beyond his Constitutional role, etc.  That's not the same as going along with his agenda.  I think they should have done a lot more, but with the media always on his side no matter the issue, no matter how he conducted himself, would constantly doing that have been a winning hand? 

Look what happened when a few people didn't go along with his spending for a few days and the government was ''shut down''.  Did the country rally to their side?  No.  Heck, they weren't even supported by the party voters in the primaries - they were simply lumped in with all the other Rs. 

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 05, 2018, 05:28:24 PM
... 2.) Partial agreement based upon the monster string of accomplishments he already has to his name. Could he have had even more? Maybe...but unlikely with a hostile media and deep state hijinks...

When a bunch of people make a prediction, and that's exactly how things end up turning out, it's a little disingenuous for people who never agreed with it in the first place to insist that no, it's because of something else.

Sure the media and deep state are hostile.  Even with them against him there are ways to handle them and be successful.  Reagan did.  From the primaries onward, Trump stupidly attacked people in the most disrespectful, unnecessary, unfair, dishonest, and childlike ways - people who would normally be expected to be on his side and follow his lead were he to become president.  All the other Rs in the primaries - many of whom were and are Senators in a Senate with a razor thin majority, other Senators, Cabinet members, judges who are going to rule on his cases, you name it.

It's not as if he's had a string of legislative successes, and some are wondering if he could have had more - I don't see any legislative successes at all.  He had almost no input on the new tax law, and other than a horribly bloated budget, that was the only major piece of legislation we've had in 16 months of holding the House, Senate, and presidency.  That's pathetic and unacceptable.  And his fault.  I don't see him leading on a single issue where he needs cooperation - only on issues that the president can make decisions on without the input of anyone else.  And I sure don't see any of those he stupidly attacked - or their colleagues - defending him on anything.

In other words, there are entire areas of his job that demand the support from others that he doesn't have, simply because he isn't a leader.  Not only is he not a leader, he sabotages his own success.  If he gets impeached or worse, he really only has himself to blame. 

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 05, 2018, 05:28:24 PM
... why do you need that agreement so much...

So you can stop nagging me on this. 

Quote from: Bart Ell on June 05, 2018, 02:49:10 PM
I win again

Is that Art's skull?

Quote from: zeebo on June 05, 2018, 12:51:06 PM
Correct.  See, he handpicked her to be the official heir to his legacy - he handed her the keys to the kingdom!  This is metaphysical stuff man, and appeals to a higher law, regardless of whether there's like supporting legal documents n' stuff.

All we really have is her word for the whole ''legacy'' shtick.  All Art said was he gave her advice from time to time.

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 05, 2018, 12:08:17 PM
Think about the experience the Rs have had running "nice" candidates...

All I said was 1) Trump didn't really follow through with NAFTA talks before going straight to tariffs, and that 2) he'd get more done if he used different approaches to different issues.

Since you finally agreed with me on both, we're in agreement.  I'm not anti-Trump - overall he's done well - but he's far from perfect, he could clearly be better on a lot of issues, and on the way he handles them, and I'm going to point that out as well. 

I still have concerns he'll destroy the one party that stands in the way of the Marxist fascist ''progressive'' party, just as ''Arnold'' did here in CA. 

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 05, 2018, 09:45:15 AM
... You still haven't illustrated what other tools he has to get these nations back to the table.

Really? 

Look, the guy's an asshole.  His ego gets in the way of everything.  He's great at blustering instead of doing, attacking people he needs help from down the road, walking into traps and making himself look like an idiot.  He's a smart guy, but there are gaping holes in the skill set one usually associates with a president, and he's shown zero interest in developing those areas or listening to people who have them.

He's not a leader.  He just isn't.  And this whole NAFTA / tariff / trade war horseshit is just another pitiful example of it. 

That he is as successful in certain areas as he has been is more a reflection of how really horrible Obama's policies were.

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 05, 2018, 09:45:15 AM
... The apparent answer is that they've rebuffed or ignored him...

The apparent answer is everyone is waiting for him to lead.  Isn't it his idea, and isn't he the president?

How many legislative initiatives has he lead on with Congress to date?  Zero?  He came from the private sector, a family business where the president/CEO dictates everything and fires anyone who doesn't immediately go along.  That's exactly what he's done on his own with executive orders, and to a certain extent in dealing with North Korea.  But only so much can be done with EOs.  He's shown zero skills in leadership when he needs others within the administration to operate as a team (hence all the firings and resignations), or to push an agenda (hence the awful budget, and the failures to repeal ObamaCare). 

Why do you think it's any different with this, that he initiated dialogue and was rejected?  Answer:  he didn't

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 05, 2018, 09:45:15 AM
And?...

What do you mean 'and'?  The rest of it is the 'and' part

Quote from: Happier Times are Coming on June 05, 2018, 09:33:09 AM
wouldn’t it be funny IF his doctor has WATCHED all of FAT FALKIE’s YouTube videos that GO INTO GREAT DETAIL HOW FUCKED UP HE IS...

Falkie's videos just aren't cutting it.  He needs to completely reinvent himself.

What about ordering up full scale replica sex bots of him and Kathie, set them to ''interact'' with each other 24 hours a day, and broadcast it live on YouTube?  The soundtrack would be a random loop of his videos

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 04, 2018, 10:21:45 PM
... "We're renegotiating NAFTA now. We'll see what happens. I may terminate NAFTA," Trump said in an interview with Reuters.

So he DID provide an upfront and timely warning after 16 months of non participation by these nations.

Feel free to show where these nations stepped up to the table and negotiated.

Put all the links you have here:

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I'm not seeing anything but talk in any of this from Trump.  You know, the way he likes to say how great everything is, how great everything's going to be, when there's nothing behind it.  Do we need Pud to remind you of his continual self aggrandizement?

If there had actually been high level substantial talks, we'd know about it - even if Trump had managed to not tweet out confidential details on a daily basis, the media who follow various officials around would report it.  And again, it's up to Trump to follow through and push this, not Canada and Mexico.

Like I said, I'm tired of talking about this.  Trump hasn't done a thing except his usual bluster, and you think that's all he's supposed to be doing before starting a trade war.  Feel free to think whatever you want, and hey, you even have Dr Dumb with you on this one.

Quote from: spookcat on June 05, 2018, 08:47:00 AM
The records are public. Just because someone found them and brought it up doesn't mean they have any case against Bellgab. They're seriously lacking in legal knowledge.

''Don't do the crime if you can't do the time'' - Tony Baretta

Quote from: spookcat on June 05, 2018, 08:47:00 AM
The records are public. Just because someone found them and brought it up doesn't mean they have any case against Bellgab. They're seriously lacking in legal knowledge.

Perhaps MV2 wants his cut of that subscription money. 

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair

Quote from: Pizzapunch on June 05, 2018, 08:15:16 AM
They're coming for bellgab and they're pissed Neelys records were released. We better just shut it down now boys

She won't do a live show because of the DMCA notice and they're hiring lawyers (plural) to prove in court she was ''handpicked by Art Bell to be heir to his legacy''.

Does that mean Hester won't be back on the air live until this whole thing runs through the court system and she wins?

Quote from: malachi.martini on June 04, 2018, 11:40:51 PM
''Once we've proven in court that Art Bell handpicked Heather as the one and only official heir to his legacy and handed her the keys to the kingdom he created, we will turn our focus on the slander and libel emanating from the cesspool known as Bellgab.''


Gods they're deluded.

*court examines posts from heather wade*

Libel and slander?  Don't they mean speculation and opinion?

Quote from: zeebo on June 04, 2018, 11:15:28 PM
Truly nonsensical.  Her show is basically just her talking to people, like pretty much every other podcast.  Yet she sounds convinced she can only do this within Art's hallowed, pre-built show structure complete with his show name, bumpers, promos, references, etc.  Very unhealthy attachment to the whole conceit of carrying on the legacy.  Hope someone can talk some sense into her but that only seems to make her double-down on the crusade talk.

There are def some disconnects going on.  Her failure to accept Keith owns the name.  The idea she's carrying on a legacy of another entertainer by copying his cadence, word choices, bumpers, phone number voice overs.  That the name of the show is of utmost importance.  The 'unboxing' portion of the show.  Choosing Lasha, a known unpleasant gasbag, as a close friend.  Erratic behavior, phoniness, and unpleasant personal conduct in general.

She wouldn't be the first person to move out to a desert in the middle of nowhere and go crazy.  Assuming she didn't arrive that way.  Art didn't do her any favors.

And to think just today folks were signing off, thinking the shit show was over

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on May 31, 2018, 01:28:57 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-trump%e2%80%99s-election-shook-obama-%e2%80%98what-if-we-were-wrong%e2%80%99/ar-AAy2e8N?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ASUDHP 

I still can't get over this article.   Can anyone imagine the so-called main stream media publishing something favorable about Trump, let alone something as disgustingly cloying as this?  Of course not.  They may as well have insisted he be made a living saint.  (Not that this article is truly favorable, but the ''progressives'' who read it will certainly think it is).

“Sometimes I wonder whether I was 10 or 20 years too early,” he [Obama] said.  Yes, he went from ''we are the ones we've been waiting for'' to ''I was 20 years too early''.  Quite the ego for someone with no positive accomplishments he can point to in his life, despite being state senator, US Senator, and president.

The next shit show of an administration was ''stolen'' from them when Mrs Clinton lost, and they sure are angry.  ''Mr. Obama urged Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada to take on a more vocal role defending the values they shared'' [Really?  This idiot?  This is who Obama sees as at his level?  He's right, but not for the reasons he thinks].  ''Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany told Mr. Obama that she felt more obliged to run for another term because of Mr. Trump’s election to defend the liberal international order. When they parted for the final time, Ms. Merkel had a single tear in her eye. “She’s all alone,” Mr. Obama noted.''

What was Mrs Merkel talking about?  She's taken the lead in the invasion of the EU countries by the highly undesirable Moslems.  ''He [Obama] had read a column asserting that liberals had forgotten how important identity was to people and had promoted an empty cosmopolitan globalism that made many feel left behind. “Maybe we pushed too far,” Mr. Obama said. “Maybe people just want to fall back into their tribe.” 

To put it another way, the long-term goal of the Globalists is to destroy national identity, erase borders, and create a one-world left-wing fascist government, run by them.  Mrs Merkel is ''all alone'', as far as heads of governments, in continuing to push for this destruction within her own country.  Islam has been at war with Europe since their pedophile founder began their religion of death, so - for the Globalists - who better to import into the West on a massive scale to destroy it from within.     

George, thanks for the head's up on the Hall of Fame ballot.  I voted for Levin

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 04, 2018, 06:51:09 PM
I know, that was the point - they've had 4 months to digest and act on his trade policies.

Do you want to deny the more recent coverage:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/27/trump-agrees-to-renegotiate-nafta-with-canada-mexico-leaders.html

President Trump and the leaders of Mexico and Canada agreed Wednesday to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the White House said â€" though Trump warned Thursday he’d be willing to “terminate” the pact if they can’t strike a “fair deal.” 

"It is my privilege to bring NAFTA up to date through renegotiation," Trump said in a statement late Wednesday. "It is an honor to deal with both [Mexican] President [Enrique] Peña Nieto and [Canadian] Prime Minister [Justin] Trudeau, and I believe that the end result will make all three countries stronger and better."

The White House added that Trump "agreed not to terminate NAFTA at this time" and that all three leaders ""agreed to proceed swiftly, according to their required internal procedures, to enable the renegotiation" of the trade deal to "the benefit of all three countries."

But Trump tweeted early Thursday that his cooperation is contingent on a fair deal being reached.

"I received calls from the President of Mexico and the Prime Minister of Canada asking to renegotiate NAFTA rather than terminate. I agreed," he tweeted. "... subject to the fact that if we do not reach a fair deal for all, we will then terminate NAFTA. Relationships are good-deal very possible!


The article above says just the opposite.

It's not a style I personally favor, but it has generally worked for him.

And we'll see it again if Congress doesn't get the border wall done by the midterms - a full government shutdown has been whispered.


I'm not one of "those guys" however.

Did and done!

Ok, both these articles are from 2017.  You know this is 2018, right?

Saying they are willing to meet, talking about it, making speeches, photo ops, shaking hands, are all meaningless.  Actions matter.  This is Trump's agenda, not theirs.  That makes him the one to be proactive.  What steps has he taken to follow through?  What directives has he given his staff to implement talks?  What specifics has he or they laid out that need to be renegotiated?  What did he do to ensure the talks were moving along?

He didn't do any of it. 

Ok, I'm giving up now.  Feel free to post more year plus old speeches, threats, campaign promises, tweets, whatever you want.  If you think this is good policy, good for you.

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 04, 2018, 05:28:30 PM
But as you previously stated:

And that's just what Trump has done...  It's been over 4 months with nothing done at all...

This article is from January.  2017. 

This is boilerplate from his inauguration, not him outlining plans four months ago (as you stated) that Canada, Mexico, and the EU have since rejected.  I'm not seeing anything specific, again just boilerplate generalisms.  If anyone is responsible for ''nothing done at all'', as far as negotiating - or even putting forth proposals - it's Donald Trump.

He didn't withdraw from NAFTA.  He didn't hold high level meetings with Mexico and Canada to try to revise it.  Or hold similar meetings with the EU to update our trade deals with them.  He didn't put tariffs on them in frustration after holding meetings and failing to reach an agreement.  He hasn't laid out his ideas of what changes we need to have.  He didn't do any of that.

Bluster and threats seem to work for him sometimes.  As bad as Clinton, Bush, and Obama were, he - and anyone else - would look good in comparison.  But he could do a lot better in some areas of policy by changing up his act once in awhile. 

I get that some of you guys think he can do no wrong, that everything he does is genius.  I also know very few people have any grasp whatsoever of economics - including the media and government officials - which means trying to explain why this is a remarkably poor idea is futile.  But can you at least link current articles with pertinent specific details if you are going to use them to support your comments?

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 04, 2018, 08:38:49 AM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mquztJnJP3w   

Toe curlingly embarrassing doesn't really do this justice. Cameo role with Kathy.

The golden age of Falkie's career as a podcaster - the beginning and end of his stint as an interviewer, all in one ghastly video

At about 15:31 Falkie and Snorgie talk about BellGab, and we hear what Norry thinks of (Redacted)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mquztJnJP3w   

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 04, 2018, 10:09:59 AM
... So you seriously want us to continue under punitive a trade agreements just to maintain status quo?

Why?

... So your response is to stay mute and let these agreements continue to bleed us?

WHY?!?!?

I already told you what I'd do, and why

Quote from: Happier Times are Coming on June 04, 2018, 09:45:41 AM
LOL
I hope the FAT FALKIE Mutant Love Doll comes “fully equipped”...
with rechargeable battery powered “twitchy thingy”...

Do the Falkie and Kathy fleshy mutant love dolls (TM) come at original weight?  If they are paired and turned on, will they break the bed?

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 04, 2018, 09:14:55 AM
Which would be overwhelmingly - CANADIAN!

Do you think they're too thick to get that and will not relent?

Our prices go up on steel, aluminium, and everything downstream (shipping, because trucks and trains are made of steel; manufactured goods because machinery is made from steel; etc), their prices go up on items with new tariffs they import from us. 

Our trade with Canada, Mexico, and the EU countries drops, which means economic activity in general drops, which means jobs and profits drop.  Really, really great


What do you mean relent?  Relent on what?  They're going to demand what, that their government not retaliate?  Really?  The reaction will always be anger and a desire to punish US goods.  Even some consumers preferring to buy non-US goods not even affected by tariffs.