War Birds

[Yorkshire pud]

Those were beautiful aircraft and mostly made of wood.

Yep. Cabinet makers were employed to build them. Very difficult ground handling, and a fair few killed their crews when taking off due to the lack of tail feather authority to overcome the torque of the twin Merlins.

[albrecht]

quod est simplex,

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.

Nearly all RAF mottos (squadrons, wings, groups, stations, units) were in Latin. The RAF (and Commonwealth) motto is, Per Adure Ad Astra.

Ha, you are correct there. I wonder if someone ever plays with that (has a ridiculous or even offensive motto in Latin on a product or group?) There is a corollary here in the States: if a presenter or pitch-man has a British accent (or Scottish) of a certain type (not all of the myriad of accents work) you must believe them, consider them smarter or highly educated, or buy their product.

[Yorkshire pud]

Ha, you are correct there. I wonder if someone ever plays with that (has a ridiculous or even offensive motto in Latin on a product or group?) There is a corollary here in the States: if a presenter or pitch-man has a British accent (or Scottish) of a certain type (not all of the myriad of accents work) you must believe them, consider them smarter or highly educated, or buy their product.

That being the case, then why are nearly all Hollywood baddies the Brit?

[GravitySucks]

quod est simplex,

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.

Nearly all RAF mottos (squadrons, wings, groups, stations, units) were in Latin. The RAF (and Commonwealth) motto is, Per Adure Ad Astra.

In the US, the Marines and Coast Guard use Latin. Army, Navy and Air Force use English.

[norland2424]

In the US, the Marines and Coast Guard use Latin. Army, Navy and Air Force use English.

the Navy motto is in latin too

The United States Navy has two mottos, one official and one unofficial, with the former being "Semper Fortis," and the latter "Non Sibi Sed Patriae." The first means "ever strong," the second "not for self but for country.

[albrecht]

That being the case, then why are nearly all Hollywood baddies the Brit?

Other than Germans or Russians you are correct. I guess it is the accent and it would not be politically correct to show some Oriental, African, or Middle-Eastern type. I love British comedy, beer, and even the food! I'm a rare defender that will take British Isle food and beer over almost everything on the Continent in terms of taste, portions, etc. But I still won't take political advice from some British pop-star or comedian- or from ours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

[GravitySucks]

the Navy motto is in latin too

The United States Navy has two mottos, one official and one unofficial, with the former being "Semper Fortis," and the latter "Non Sibi Sed Patriae." The first means "ever strong," the second "not for self but for country.

I think that is their old one. I think their current one is Honor, Courage, Commitment.

[K_Dubb]

I think that is their old one. I think their current one is Honor, Courage, Commitment.

Jeez I wonder how long it took them to workshop that stirring mission statement.

[GravitySucks]

Jeez I wonder how long it took them to workshop that stirring mission statement.

You would think that as old as they are, they would have stuck with tradition.

Gimme Hed Tilime Ded

[norland2424]

I think that is their old one. I think their current one is Honor, Courage, Commitment.

thats the core values for both the navy and the USMC

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/nav_legacy.asp?id=193

[K_Dubb]

thats the core values for both the navy and the USMC

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/nav_legacy.asp?id=193

God I hate modern language.  "Core values" sounds like you're selling apples at a discount.

[Yorkshire pud]

Jeez I wonder how long it took them to workshop that stirring mission statement.

Then a feasibility study. Focus group input, and finally people with clip boards canvassing sailors who were on their way back from a weekend ashore.

[GravitySucks]

thats the core values for both the navy and the USMC

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/nav_legacy.asp?id=193

LOL I don't think they are very good at branding. This talks about their new "motto" and it is none of the above.
http://www.navy.mil/management/videodbdata/transcript/141217_2.txt

[norland2424]

God I hate modern language.  "Core values" sounds like you're selling apples at a discount.

it makes more sense in the military then it does in a office setting 

[albrecht]

God I hate modern language.  "Core values" sounds like you're selling apples at a discount.

At least go for a pun and call it "Corps Values." But, yes, I agree. And too much like a fake corporate "feel good" slogan.

[norland2424]

LOL I don't think they are very good at branding. This talks about their new "motto" and it is none of the above.
http://www.navy.mil/management/videodbdata/transcript/141217_2.txt

lol it bugs me that their motto isn't visible on their website, the USMC at least has it in caps on its history page

http://www.marines.com/history-heritage/principles-values

[K_Dubb]

Awesome paint job as mentioned. I wonder why the words are in English (though just about every native Dutch person can speak it.) I looked it up and according to what I saw the motto of the Dutch Air Force is "Parvus numero, magnus merito" (Small in number, large in merit roughly.)

I'm surprised they don't mention how their king is a great friend of Spain's like their national anthem.  Talk about mixed messages.  Hire a branding consultant right away!

[K_Dubb]

Saw what must have been this guy fly overhead a couple weeks ago.  Funny to see in Navy colors.  The Historic Flight Foundation near me has a normal-painted one that flies so often I'm sorry I hardly look up any more.

[norland2424]

Saw what must have been this guy fly overhead a couple weeks ago.  Funny to see in Navy colors.  The Historic Flight Foundation near me has a normal-painted one that flies so often I'm sorry I hardly look up any more.

even tho i think they used army aircorp colors on th raid i wonder if it had anything to do with this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid

[Walks_At_Night]

Saw what must have been this guy fly overhead a couple weeks ago.  Funny to see in Navy colors.  The Historic Flight Foundation near me has a normal-painted one that flies so often I'm sorry I hardly look up any more.

The naval variant of the B-25 was known as the PBJ and was flown by both the US Navy and more commonly the Marines.

[albrecht]

I'm surprised they don't mention how their king is a great friend of Spain's like their national anthem.  Talk about mixed messages.  Hire a branding consultant right away!

Especially because Spain is where Zwarte Piet takes you if you have been a misbehaving child! Place of Moors and bad people! (The political/royal/religious machinations and changes of the region are way too complicated to go into here but there is a history behind the song.)

[K_Dubb]

even tho i think they used army aircorp colors on th raid i wonder if it had anything to do with this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid

Yeah I wondered the same thing and had to look it up when I got home.  Hard to tell in black and white, but I gather you're right.

Real bright, looked like a bathtub toy hahaha.

[K_Dubb]

Especially because Spain is where Zwarte Piet takes you if you have been a misbehaving child! Place of Moors and bad people! (The political/royal/religious machinations and changes of the region are way too complicated to go into here but there is a history behind the song.)

Haha I forgot about that!  They need to make up their mind on the whole Spain thing.

I love those quirks but we moderns prefer to pave it all over with platitudes.

[Astrid Galactic]

Saw what must have been this guy fly overhead a couple weeks ago.  Funny to see in Navy colors.  The Historic Flight Foundation near me has a normal-painted one that flies so often I'm sorry I hardly look up any more.

That's another one they flew at our air show except it was a very highly reflective silver color. Gorgeous the way it glistened in the sun as it flew by. Have never seen a plane that bright and shiny before.

[Walks_At_Night]

That's another one they flew at our air show except it was a very highly reflective silver color. Gorgeous the way it glistened in the sun as it flew by. Have never seen a plane that bright and shiny before.

The advantage to that is that the weight of the paint is saved............   The disadvantage is obvious

[GravitySucks]

even tho i think they used army aircorp colors on th raid i wonder if it had anything to do with this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid

Found this modeler's guide for the markings and paint

http://www.goldmm.com/ships/gmsB-25dec.htm

[Walks_At_Night]

Found this modeler's guide for the markings and paint

http://www.goldmm.com/ships/gmsB-25dec.htm

One of the more famous B-25's from the Doolittle Raid was the "Ruptured Duck" flown
by the author of 20 Seconds Over Tokyo  Ted Lawson.  The plane had its share of
Gremlins so they went with this pretty cool nose art:



Ted Lawson:

[Yorkshire pud]

Big enough?


https://youtu.be/jfHExG8xYqc

[GravitySucks]

Lost another F-18C. Marine pilot ejected safely

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MILITARY_JET_CRASH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-26-09-36-10

[GravitySucks]

two more F-18s   Lost one. Both pilots safe.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/09/two-marine-fighter-jets-collide-at-sea/