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Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 23, 2018, 08:24:50 PM

Oh keep up will you! I said in an earlier post that the principle job increases will be in none Trump counties. You think CA will turn Trump because of Apple? Its going to be mainly R&D and a great many (possibly the majority) will not be Americans working there.

You may have added that onto a post or two, certainly not all of them, and it certainly wasn't your main point

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on January 23, 2018, 08:26:45 PM
The basic supply and demand model suggests more product produced domestically would pick up the slack.

But it won't. That is why they're made in the far east (LG are a big manufacture of them).

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China has targeted multiple industries to dump their product at below cost to force US and other suppliers out.  It's against the WTO rules they said they would abide by when they were allowed to join - which was a mistake as they are still a command economy in many aspects. 

And with Trump pulling from NAAFTA you think China won't welcome the none US market that the US is excluded from now? Trump and his daughter recognise the value of their tat made in the far east that is why they source it there and not the US.. Unit cost/overheads/profit  etc... You're closer than me, you can see the constant line of container ships coming into SF every day...Each one has a customer.

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Why on earth would we allow them to target our industries, dump their products, and ultimately drive our our companies out of business?  Because Clinton, Bush II, and Obama did?  Not really a good enough reason

They have customers, they can't sell what someone won't buy. The problem that many don't accept is that the overheads in the west are massively higher than the Far East.. No-one in the US will do the same job for the wages that they'd get paid in China. No-one will pay the cost of what a US made product would cost if the same product was made in China for less than half the price. I'm not saying its right, its just a fact of life, and the only way a US firm could compete is automation.

GravitySucks

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 23, 2018, 08:26:23 PM

Corporate tax rate reduction will be enjoyed by the shareholders and board. They won't be used to offset rising unit costs, they never do.

Can you show me your gloom and doom predictions and outrage when Obama implemented the first ones in 2012, subsequent ones in 2014 and 2015, and the EU did in 2013?

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 23, 2018, 08:26:23 PM

Corporate tax rate reduction will be enjoyed by the shareholders and board. They won't be used to offset rising unit costs, they never do.

IF a company has the funds and believes it will benefit from expansion, they will either use cash on hand, borrow, or both.  Depending on their expectations, options available to them, and the model they use (sell more shares to generate the cash, borrow it, or fund it with cash on hand).

''Always'' and ''never'' are absurd terms in a dynamic economy.  More cash on hand means some will use it to expand, others will use it to further other company goals - whether that means rewarding existing employees, buying their own shares back, paying dividends, making an acquisition, or just keeping the cash on hand.

Why is it any business of yours what they do with their own money that they earned - just because the tax rules changed so they can keep a little more of it?

albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 23, 2018, 08:34:52 PM
. No-one in the US will do the same job for the wages that they'd get paid in China. No-one will pay the cost of what a US made product would cost if the same product was made in China for less than half the price. I'm not saying its right, its just a fact of life, and the only way a US firm could compete is automation.
You have to love when the Democrats and Left support the idea of low wages, near slave-like working conditions, and factories that sometimes need suicide nets to boost worker productivity. They do this also when supporting illegals and open-borders, sort of odd from a human rights perspective. ;)

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 23, 2018, 08:34:52 PM
But it won't...

Yeah, keep reading the socialist junk. 

Everyone knows socialism created the modern world, and capitalism just keeps getting in the way.  That's why the West collapsed and the Soviet Union is the leading superpower.  It's why Mao's impoverished, repressive capitalist empire finally submitted to the inevitable rise of modern communist China.  It's why North Korea is the next economic superpower.

Quote from: albrecht on January 23, 2018, 08:40:34 PM
You have to love when the Democrats and Left support the idea of low wages, near slave-like working conditions, and factories that sometimes need suicide nets to boost worker productivity. They do this also when supporting illegals and open-borders, sort of odd from a human rights perspective. ;)

We learned what the Left really thinks of workers and unions from Lech Walesa and Solidarity. Turns out the Left doesn't support workers at all, even especially union workers.  Unless there is some direct benefit for doing so.

The same goes for the environment, minority rights, healthcare, education, ''justice'', and every other thing they pretend to support.  It's just for votes, and just for now.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: GravitySucks on January 23, 2018, 08:35:36 PM
Can you show me your gloom and doom predictions and outrage when Obama implemented the first ones in 2012, subsequent ones in 2014 and 2015, and the EU did in 2013?


I wasn't in the US then..and I didn't get on here till late 2012.. Tariffs seldom work in the long term. Sure, they might throw a sop to the masses for a short while, but the market will eventually prevail.. IF the home manufacturers/suppliers can make it up, fair enough, and good luck to them. But if the expertise has long gone or was never there, the imports will return. Many years ago the likes of Toyota, Mitsubishi, Honda and Mazda were heavily taxed in the UK in the futile attempt to generate sales in British 'built' cars. It didn't work. The manufacturers circumvented it and built plants in the UK, the ones who didn't, simply paid UK and European designers and engineers to go and work in Japan..The MX5 was designed by a Brit. They'd learned that their boxy cars were not popular and learned very quickly to make cars that people wanted to buy. And the likes of the UK and US had to concede they'd been beaten at their own game.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on January 23, 2018, 08:42:08 PM
Yeah, keep reading the socialist junk. 

Everyone knows socialism created the modern world, and capitalism just keeps getting in the way.  That's why the West collapsed and the Soviet Union is the leading superpower.  It's why Mao's impoverished, repressive capitalist empire finally submitted to the inevitable rise of modern communist China.  It's why North Korea is the next economic superpower.


But you don't address the fundamental issue...Nothing to do with socialism. Its to do with unit coast and supply and demand..

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on January 23, 2018, 08:35:51 PM
IF a company has the funds and believes it will benefit from expansion, they will either use cash on hand, borrow, or both.  Depending on their expectations, options available to them, and the model they use (sell more shares to generate the cash, borrow it, or fund it with cash on hand).

''Always'' and ''never'' are absurd terms in a dynamic economy.  More cash on hand means some will use it to expand, others will use it to further other company goals - whether that means rewarding existing employees, buying their own shares back, paying dividends, making an acquisition, or just keeping the cash on hand.

Why is it any business of yours what they do with their own money that they earned - just because the tax rules changed so they can keep a little more of it?


If the government makes the tax rules skewed so that the very rich stay that way, what makes you think that the very rich want to share it with those not very rich? Ingrained benevolence?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: albrecht on January 23, 2018, 08:40:34 PM
You have to love when the Democrats and Left support the idea of low wages, near slave-like working conditions, and factories that sometimes need suicide nets to boost worker productivity. They do this also when supporting illegals and open-borders, sort of odd from a human rights perspective. ;)


Typical and predictable lying from you... The only people who enjoy low wages for workers are the companies and execs who benefit from same. What do you think the average salary is in the US, and what it was say, twenty years ago? And the cost of buying an average sized home?

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 23, 2018, 08:51:03 PM

If the government makes the tax rules skewed so that the very rich stay that way, what makes you think that the very rich want to share it with those not very rich? Ingrained benevolence?

What are you even talking about? 

Are tax laws there to fund government, or punish those who put in the effort to get an education, developed jobs skills or busted their ass to build a business, get up in the morning, go to work, and produce goods and services the rest of us want?

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 23, 2018, 08:24:50 PM

Oh keep up will you! I said in an earlier post that the principle job increases will be in none Trump counties. You think CA will turn Trump because of Apple? Its going to be mainly R&D and a great many (possibly the majority) will not be Americans working there.

You do realize that there are Trump voters in every precinct in every state across the country right?  Except maybe a few grimy, crime ridden, run down precincts located in the hearts of a few big cities - you know, boarded up filthy streets where the least educated and least productive members of society dwell.

Do you think Apple is going to include ''no Trump supporters'' on their job applications?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on January 23, 2018, 09:14:58 PM
What are you even talking about? 

Are tax laws there to fund government, or punish those who put in the effort to get an education, developed jobs skills or busted their ass to build a business, get up in the morning, go to work, and produce goods and services the rest of us want?

I have no idea why certain tax laws are put in place when it's common knowledge (or should be) that those who can afford to pay very creative accountants to circumvent (legally or otherwise) their full liabilities. There is no evidence in the last forty years that corporate tax reduction directly provides long term employment that can be sustained..

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 23, 2018, 09:37:37 PM
I have no idea why certain tax laws are put in place when it's common knowledge (or should be) that those who can afford to pay very creative accountants to circumvent (legally or otherwise) their full liabilities. There is no evidence in the last forty years that corporate tax reduction directly provides long term employment that can be sustained..

Laura working late, or out for a glass of wine with her friends after work?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on January 23, 2018, 09:19:16 PM
You do realize that there are Trump voters in every precinct in every state across the country right?  Except maybe a few grimy, crime ridden, run down precincts located in the hearts of a few big cities - you know, boarded up filthy streets where the least educated and least productive members of society dwell.

Do you think Apple is going to include ''no Trump supporters'' on their job applications?

Nope, but they won't move far from CA. Why would they? The cost of transporting their existing products from S E Asia would be far more if they had to go to say Illinois or NY State.

There are Trump voters everywhere, even SF! But the majority of the electorate are not Trump supporters, its why Trump's bitch (or is it the other way around?) Miller is playing to the base. Currently around 35%. He has nowhere else to go; They've spent zero time in attempting to attract none Trump voters. They won't do it now.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 23, 2018, 09:37:37 PM
... There is no evidence in the last forty years that corporate tax reduction directly provides long term employment that can be sustained..

No, of corse not.  Especially when the ''researchers'' don't want to find any. 

It should be clear to all on the face of it that an increase in cash on hand has no impact on business expansion.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 23, 2018, 09:42:51 PM
Nope, but they won't move far from CA. Why would they? The cost of transporting their existing products from S E Asia would be far more if they had to go to say Illinois or NY State...

Just to make sure I'm clear - are you saying Illinois and NY are less liberal than CA, or they don't sell Apple products there because it's too far to ship?

GravitySucks

Only if you want to take the chance of wanting to stick an ice pick in your ear.

https://youtu.be/mds0UsiAuCk

GravitySucks

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 23, 2018, 09:37:37 PM
I have no idea why certain tax laws are put in place when it's common knowledge (or should be) that those who can afford to pay very creative accountants to circumvent (legally or otherwise) their full liabilities. There is no evidence in the last forty years that corporate tax reduction directly provides long term employment that can be sustained..

Just remember the tax tables only provide you with the minimum amount you need to pay each year. Feel free to kick in whatever extra you think is suitable.

Tonight Frontline has a report on ''People of Refuge''.  LOL.  Ugh!

Next we'll all be labeled ''refuge deniers'' if we point out the violence and intolerance they bring, the crimes they commit, the lack of integration and all the rest from these invaders.

albrecht

Quote from: GravitySucks on January 23, 2018, 09:55:02 PM
Just remember the tax tables only provide you with the minimum amount you need to pay each year. Feel free to kick in whatever extra you think is suitable.
I think they will even accept donations from those who fled.
https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsfaq/fs_gifts_to_govt.htm

ItsOver

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on January 23, 2018, 09:56:29 PM
Next we'll all be labeled ''refuge deniers'' if we point out the violence and intolerance they bring, the crimes they commit, the lack of integration and all the rest from these invaders.
Anything to bring in more Dem lackies.  The dead, illegals, hell, they'll be recruiting trees next.




albrecht

Quote from: ItsOver on January 23, 2018, 10:22:00 PM
Anything to bring in more Dem lackies.  The dead, illegals, hell, they'll be recruiting trees next.


Unless they are Christmas Trees. But, maybe after they are dead and in landfills, tanks, or mulching places they would steal their idenities to vote?

To these eyes, it seems like the real corruption was in the FBI not the Trump campaign.
The following verse is for Mueller, Comey and their sympathizers.

"Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." Matthew 7:5

I'm sure this will trigger all the Christophobes but I'm feeling ornery tonight.

#InvestigateMuellerComeyFBI

Quote from: ItsOver on January 23, 2018, 10:22:00 PM
Anything to bring in more Dem lackies.  The dead, illegals, hell, they'll be recruiting trees next.




I knew if I put out the dog whistle the Trumpers would come out for some refuge denial.

Pud's gone, Laura must have finally gotten home.  I knew it wasn't roller derby night, or we would have heard more about how tough she is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWLAUyN0QS8   


albrecht

Quote from: 21st Century Man on January 23, 2018, 11:25:19 PM
To these eyes, it seems like the real corruption was in the FBI not the Trump campaign.
The following verse is for Mueller, Comey and their sympathizers.

"Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." Matthew 7:5

I'm sure this will trigger all the Christophobes but I'm feeling ornery tonight.

#InvestigateMuellerComeyFBI
Deuteronomy 32:35



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