President Donald J. Trump

[Dr. MD MD]

Yep, and now anyone criticizing the wall or who is against it is an anti-semite!

Are you torn between two lovers? Feeling like a fool? 

[Zetaspeak]

https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/825371795972825089

If you are against the wall you are an anti-semite!

Much like the wall Trump wants to build, we paid for that wall as well. Btw now that he said the wall did such an awesome job. Does it mean we can drastically  reduce the Billions of dollars  we send there?

[Luka Megurine]

Yep, and now anyone criticizing the wall or who is against it is an anti-semite!

Wall deniers are trying to kill falkie i think it's time we fire bomb them!

[Dr. MD MD]

Much like the wall Trump wants to build, we paid for that wall as well. Btw now that he said the wall did such an awesome job. Does it mean we can drastically  reduce the Billions of dollars  we send there?

That would be nice but I somehow doubt it. Trump's vowed to eradicate radical Islamic terrorism and Israel is probably going to be pretty important to that struggle.

[The King of Kings]

http://www.wkbw.com/news/national/iran-to-ban-american-citizens-in-response-to-trumps-immigration-order


Iran to ban American citizens in response to Trump's immigration order



#WINNING

[SciFiAuthor]

I love how people are trying to make the argument that you'd need evidence of voter fraud in order to investigate it. I'd bet dollars for donuts that these very people would argue in favor of the concept of international or UN election observers in an argument of a different context employing the opposite argument. The ideological and intellectual dishonesty that's on display in this thread is just amazing.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, until all states require proper identification to vote I think election fraud investigations should be mandatory after every election. The state of affairs of voting in this country alone warrants it.

[Jackstar]

I think election fraud investigations should be mandatory after every election.

It's always been of exceptional importance that our transfers of power are done on the square, and kept on the level.

[GravitySucks]

I love how people are trying to make the argument that you'd need evidence of voter fraud in order to investigate it. I'd bet dollars for donuts that these very people would argue in favor of the concept of international or UN election observers in an argument of a different context employing the opposite argument. The ideological and intellectual dishonesty that's on display in this thread is just amazing.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, until all states require proper identification to vote I think election fraud investigations should be mandatory after every election. The state of affairs of voting in this country alone warrants it.

Need proof of citizenship to register to vote as well.

[SciFiAuthor]

Man, I wish we would have had twitter leakers during the Clinton presidency. Can you imagine how hilarious that would have been?

"Bill just ordered another case of 1000 condoms ... and 6 quarter pounders with cheese ... gonna take a lot of jogging to work those off ..."

[PB the Deplorable]

Need proof of citizenship to register to vote as well.

We just had a president who refused to show proof of citizenship

But it was ok, Nancy Pelosi vouched for him

[PB the Deplorable]

Meanwhile, those same hacks and their Fake News outlets questioned whether John McCain, then Mitt Romney, then Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio could legally be candidates.

[PB the Deplorable]

So people are just going to have to be patient when it's pointed out we can't trust the Democrat Fake News Media to report on voting fraud. 

Given their untrustworthiness on these and pretty much every other issue, it seems prudent to question their ''studies'' on this. 

[Dr. MD MD]

But it was ok, Nancy Pelosi vouched for him

Mmm...old botox face. Very trusty! 

[PB the Deplorable]

It's like pornography - you know it when you see it.

And the wait continues.

Face it, what I described is the modern ideal.  It's what civilization has evolved into, as far as how we govern ourselves.  Marxism and it's offshoots (socialism, ''progressivism'', fascism, modern day so-called liberalism, etc) are an attempt to seize our democracies and take us (the democratic West) back to some form of dictatorship.

Those behind this needed a straw man, hence the ''Right Wing''.  There is no right wing - only freedom and those who would pull it down.

[SredniVashtar]

I love how people are trying to make the argument that you'd need evidence of voter fraud in order to investigate it. I'd bet dollars for donuts that these very people would argue in favor of the concept of international or UN election observers in an argument of a different context employing the opposite argument. The ideological and intellectual dishonesty that's on display in this thread is just amazing.

OK, well let's do what we like on the basis of  no evidence whatsoever then. I might decide that your head is full of tiny squirrels and try to hack your head open to try and let them out. I'm always suspicious of the folk wisdom that says 'everyone knows' something. They're usually just repeating something they heard from somewhere else. The comparison between having an investigation and having observers is invalid, because the latter is a precaution only. Anyway, you lot are always going on about fiscal prudence, how much money is it going to cost to have a thorough investigation into alleged voter fraud, based on the whim of a whiny man-baby? And if they found there was nothing in it, would the people who wanted it accept the result? No, so it's a waste of time.

All this from someone who believes Art was forced off the air by a 'stalker'? Purrrfuckinglease!!! There's nothing you won't believe.

[PB the Deplorable]

OK, well let's do what we like on the basis of  no evidence whatsoever then. I might decide that your head is full of tiny squirrels and try to hack your head open to try and let them out. I'm always suspicious of the folk wisdom that says 'everyone knows' something. They're usually just repeating something they heard from somewhere else. The comparison between having an investigation and having observers is invalid, because the latter is a precaution only. Anyway, you lot are always going on about fiscal prudence, how much money is it going to cost to have a thorough investigation into alleged voter fraud, based on the whim of a whiny man-baby? And if they found there was nothing in it, would the people who wanted it accept the result? No, so it's a waste of time.

All this from someone who believes Art was forced off the air by a 'stalker'? Purrrfuckinglease!!! There's nothing you won't believe.

Well, first off it isn't just Trump who wants this looked into.  It's been an issue for going on a couple of decades.

Trump is the president.  He was elected to make decisions on a variety of things.  This is one of them. 

Given what this country wastes on everything else, the cost wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket.  Confidence in our electoral process is certainly worth whatever comparatively minor cost is involved.

This whole overriding premise about Trump's ego, not accepting the results, etc, etc, is all in your head.  Another straw man.  The federal and state governments do plenty of investigations and reports, some more professional and honest than others.  Why not just wait to see the results, if an investigation materializes, and Trump's reactions to it before disparaging it and him.


What are the Ds and left-leaning foreigners so worried about?  Based on their spending proclivities, we know it isn't the money.

[SredniVashtar]

And the wait continues.

Face it, what I described is the modern ideal.  It's what civilization has evolved into, as far as how we govern ourselves.  Marxism and it's offshoots (socialism, ''progressivism'', fascism, modern day so-called liberalism, etc) are an attempt to seize our democracies and take us (the democratic West) back to some form of dictatorship.

Those behind this needed a straw man, hence the ''Right Wing''.  There is no right wing - only freedom and those who would pull it down.

The point you make isn't entirely fatuous. I remember when there was an attempted coup in Russia against Yeltsin and there was a debate about whether the coup plotters were right or left wing. They wanted to wind the clock back to pre-perestroika, so they were described as reactionary right-wingers, when in fact they were extreme left-wing, strictly speaking, being hard-line communists.

[SredniVashtar]

This whole overriding premise about Trump's ego, not accepting the results, etc, etc, is all in your head.  Another straw man. 

I nearly fell out of my chair when I read that. And stop using cliches, it jars my sensitive nature.

[PB the Deplorable]

The point you make isn't entirely fatuous. I remember when there was an attempted coup in Russia against Yeltsin and there was a debate about whether the coup plotters were right or left wing. They wanted to wind the clock back to pre-perestroika, so they were described as reactionary right-wingers, when in fact they were extreme left-wing, strictly speaking, being hard-line communists.

The media used to describe the Soviet Politburo as ''conservative''. 

When Reagan, a self proclaimed ''conservative'' became president, the pretend journalists tried to compare him to them based on that.

[Zetaspeak]

OK, well let's do what we like on the basis of  no evidence whatsoever then. I might decide that your head is full of tiny squirrels and try to hack your head open to try and let them out. I'm always suspicious of the folk wisdom that says 'everyone knows' something. They're usually just repeating something they heard from somewhere else. The comparison between having an investigation and having observers is invalid, because the latter is a precaution only. Anyway, you lot are always going on about fiscal prudence, how much money is it going to cost to have a thorough investigation into alleged voter fraud, based on the whim of a whiny man-baby? And if they found there was nothing in it, would the people who wanted it accept the result? No, so it's a waste of time.

All this from someone who believes Art was forced off the air by a 'stalker'? Purrrfuckinglease!!! There's nothing you won't believe.

I wonder if he would step down as President until all of this was "figured out" If there's enough holes in the system for 3 Million votes, than there is the same holes for the 77,000 votes that gave him the electoral  win.

[K_Dubb]

OK, well let's do what we like on the basis of  no evidence whatsoever then. I might decide that your head is full of tiny squirrels and try to hack your head open to try and let them out. I'm always suspicious of the folk wisdom that says 'everyone knows' something. They're usually just repeating something they heard from somewhere else. The comparison between having an investigation and having observers is invalid, because the latter is a precaution only. Anyway, you lot are always going on about fiscal prudence, how much money is it going to cost to have a thorough investigation into alleged voter fraud, based on the whim of a whiny man-baby? And if they found there was nothing in it, would the people who wanted it accept the result? No, so it's a waste of time.

All this from someone who believes Art was forced off the air by a 'stalker'? Purrrfuckinglease!!! There's nothing you won't believe.

When something like this has the potential to rattle somebody's china cupboard and it's not immediately clear whose, it's well worth the time and expense for entertainment value alone.

[Dr. MD MD]

I wonder if he would step down as President until all of this was "figured out" If there's enough holes in the system for 3 Million votes, than there is the same holes for the 77,000 votes that gave him the electoral  win.

Rather than indulging in your political wet dreams let's keep it factual, shall we? 

[SredniVashtar]

I wonder if he would step down as President until all of this was "figured out" If there's enough holes in the system for 3 Million votes, than there is the same holes for the 77,000 votes that gave him the electoral  win.

A fair point.

[PB the Deplorable]

The point you make isn't entirely fatuous. I remember when there was an attempted coup in Russia against Yeltsin and there was a debate about whether the coup plotters were right or left wing. They wanted to wind the clock back to pre-perestroika, so they were described as reactionary right-wingers, when in fact they were extreme left-wing, strictly speaking, being hard-line communists.

When even our left-leaning friends are pointing out examples of Fake News, we know the world has changed.

[SredniVashtar]

When even our left-leaning friends are pointing out examples of Fake News, we know the world has changed.

I'll concede you make a fair point about right v left wing, and I'm not going to disagree for the sake of it. It gets very blurry when you are talking about dictatorships, because they draw from both sides. It's hard to talk about the right in economic terms with any precision, because the further right they go the more they abandon ideas like  free trade and start using  tariff restrictions, the way Trump is threatening to.

[PB the Deplorable]

I'll concede you make a fair point about right v left wing, and I'm not going to disagree for the sake of it. It gets very blurry when you are talking about dictatorships, because they draw from both sides. It's hard to talk about the right in economic terms with any precision, because the further right they go the more they abandon ideas like  free trade and start using  tariff restrictions, the way Trump is threatening to.

I'm not a fan of these trade agreements - they are managed trade, not free trade.  They benefit consumers, global corporations, and shareholders, but destroy our jobs and hurt our workers (while creating certain other jobs).  Point being, a true free trade agreement wouldn't need 10s of thousands of pages. 

Having said that, he ought to go at it from the point of re-doing them.  Markets, businesses, and consumers hate uncertainty.  It's difficult to plan, thus to make deals or invest.  Change ought to be gradual and transparent.  I really hope what he's doing is setting the tone that he's serious, thus encouraging our trade partners to come to the table. 

The TPP had the advantage of lining the rest of the Pacific up against China, it's too bad they will now likely step in and fill that void in our place.


As far as dictatorships ''drawing from both sides'', I would say those that are ideological are on the Left.  Most third world dictatorships are neither right or left wing, they are more of a kleptocracy.  I still don't know what a ''right wing'' regime would be.

[SredniVashtar]

There are three rules when it comes to Trump:

1. Don't expose him to bright light

2. Don't feed him after midnight

3. And most importantly, don't ever, EVER, get him wet

[SredniVashtar]

As far as dictatorships ''drawing from both sides'', I would say those that are ideological are on the Left.  Most third world dictatorships are neither right or left wing, they are more of a kleptocracy.  I still don't know what a ''right wing'' regime would be.

I meant that it's a bit like Animal Farm, after a while it's hard to discriminate one sort of dictatorship from another. Mussolini used to be a Communist. The Nazis were a weird amalgam of right and left-wing ideas. It's hard to tease out one strand from another, but both were pretty ideological and well to the right, obviously.

In those instances, I'd used 'right' in the sense of backward-looking to a past that probably never really existed. Mussolini self-consciously used the fasces, which were used by the lictors of ancient Rome. While Nazism was steeped in neo-Wagnerian mysticism. The right tends to hark back, the left wants to create anew,  rightly or wrongly. That's a crucial difference. You saw that attitude quite strongly when it came to Brexit, where  people who wanted  it felt that they were voting for something that they had lost.

[SredniVashtar]

If any proof were needed that Trump is full of shit, his Muslim ban includes: Iraq, Syria, Iran, Yemen, Sudan, Libya and Somalia. Countries that he can act the tough guy with...

But not Saudi Arabia.

[Jackstar]

I'm always suspicious of the folk wisdom that says 'everyone knows' something.

As straw men go, this is remarkably subtle, but your relentless shillery bullshit is still quite detectable.

you lot are always going on about fiscal prudence, how much money is it going to cost to have a thorough investigation into alleged voter fraud, based on the whim of a whiny man-baby?

This is an embarrassing, tangled mess of ill-logic, even for the likes of you. I'm calling shenanigans here.

But not Saudi Arabia.

We just conquered it. You'll be getting the official announcement when The Lodge feels like it. Blow.