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Quote from: Metron2267 on June 19, 2018, 09:42:25 PM
You totally get the scale, which is why you know that no single CEO can recapitalize a major corporation.

These sports talk radio stations are always desperate for content, yet they never tell us the QB is being paid X more then the average salary on the team.  Or that the players make far more than the rank and file employees working in the stadium, office, and clubhouse.

For preseason camp, NFL teams carry 90 players on the roster, which is whittled down to 53 when the season starts.  The guys they know are going to be cut make a pittance, and a lot of the guys who do make the team play for the league minimum or a little more.  A handful of stars make quite a bit.  Most of the money on multi-year contracts is not guaranteed

There aren't enough top QBs to go around.  Not every team has one.  Oakland's QB has had one good season - which ended in injury - and he signed a guaranteed contract for 5 years at $25 million per year.  The SF QB has yet to start a full season and signed a guaranteed 5 year contract for even more than that.

Yet despite these enormous contracts and this huge disparity between the QBs and the average pay for the 90 players on the team, it's never mentioned by the media.  Ever.  There are no breathless reporters going on about ''disparity'', ''greed'', or the end of civilization as we know it due to this gross injustice.


Why?  Because it's meaningless.  It's not really even a story.  And more importantly - the only difference between this and the endless stories about CEO pay - there are no political points to be scored, there is no trashing of the country to be done.

Jojo

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 19, 2018, 07:41:12 PM
Capitalism isn't a theory, it's an explanation of how the world works when it comes to the production and distribution of goods and services.

All it is is people producing goods and services for themselves and others, and trading the excess for what others produce.  That's it.  Sometimes that means combining forces and creating a company to utilize the talents and experience of various people.  Sometimes it means filling a need someone else has, in the form of a job. 

When government tries to stifle production or trade, it goes on anyway - smuggling and the black market.


Socialism isn't really a theory, it's the heavy hand of government forcing people to do what they say instead of what individuals deem best for themselves and their families.  Of course some people benefit when goods and services are taken from others and provided free or at greatly reduced prices.  But overall, the system fails.


Wealth is created when work is done, and when goods and services are freely traded.  The more trade, the more wealth in generated.  Because everyone entering into a trade freely benefits from the trade.  The person buying the $3 loaf of bread is better off with the bread than in keeping the $3, and the baker is better off with the $3.  And everyone down the line profited and was left better off - the person providing the seeds, fertilizer, and farm machinery, the farmer, the miller, the person transporting the wheat, and the baker.

Stagnation begins when government steps in and regulates, eliminates, or taxes work and trade.  Which is why places like resource poor Hong Kong, Singapore, and Japan thrive, and many resource rich countries are impoverished.
Well, to me, wealth and resource exploitation are not important.  What's important to me is to have a healthy, sustainable self and local community.  There is a lot of environmental waste and damage in the pursuit of wealth - built in obsolescence, destructive environmental haste, unnecessary packaging, greed...

I liked this article:
https://www.shmoop.com/economic-systems/types.html

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Jojo

I think the Capitalist line of thinking is what puts corn syrup and other controversial ingredients like the new datum  in our food.  I don't think subsidizing increased production is good for society.
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Jojo

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 19, 2018, 08:19:33 PM
There's always going to be politics and bullshit and unfairness.  But in the end that job has to be done.

Managing a staff of VPs and directors jockeying for position.  Dealing with shareholders and the Board.  Community relations.  Media relations.  He or she is really ultimately responsible for the success of the company - long term and short term.

He or she is ultimately responsible for the financial results and filings, marketing strategies, sales, R&D, IT, HR, everything.  He or she is the top sales person, the top lobbyist, the face of the company.  Not to mention everything else that goes on in an organization.

It's easy to find accountants, admins, trade show reps, drivers, etc, who can be hired and up to speed in no time - but not good, seasoned CEOs. 

It's really the huge companies that pay what the media tells us is excess, but to that company it's a pittance in the overall scheme of things.  They may have hundreds of thousands of employees, that's why a $10 million bonus split between a handful of people is minimal, but a $10k bonus for every employee is a huge payout.
Well, I had heard that last part but I didn't believe it.  I checked out the numbers on Lehman, his compensation and the number of employees.  Until it is officially disclosed how much of his stock he sold, the equation cannot be calculated.  He claimed to retain "the majority" of it, but even if he sold 40% of it, the whole equation would change dramatically.  So, I see your point, but am still not thoroughly convinced.  Besides, it looks bad to live like a king when people are put out of work and the company bankrupt, then bailed out at taxpayer expense.  It just doesn't seem right.

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Jojo

Didn't they say they don't separate nursing children from their mothers????????  Children can nurse well past infancy.  Poor Rachel Maddow, cracking up on air.  I don't blame her.  You'd expect the controversy to be in the old USSR, or China.  Not here, in our country.

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Dr. MD MD

Quote from: 14 on June 20, 2018, 01:04:39 AM
Didn't they say they don't separate nursing children from their mothers????????  Children can nurse well past infancy.  Poor Rachel Maddow, cracking up on air.  I don't blame her.  You'd expect the controversy to be in the old USSR, or China.  Not here, in our country.

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You think any of those place would deal with this bullshit in anyway other way than hard line militant? Please, give your head a good shake. ::)

Up All Night

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 19, 2018, 12:39:00 PM
Garnish the remittances immediately, that'll soak them for 27BILLION$ a year!

We can build two walls and have our own "NIZ" - No Illegals Zone....

;)

We need to build a second wall on the Western borders of the Mexican states of Chiapas and Tabasco, to control the illegal immigration from Central and South America.

Jojo

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 20, 2018, 12:36:59 AM
These sports talk radio stations are always desperate for content, yet they never tell us the QB is being paid X more then the average salary on the team.  Or that the players make far more than the rank and file employees working in the stadium, office, and clubhouse.

For preseason camp, NFL teams carry 90 players on the roster, which is whittled down to 53 when the season starts.  The guys they know are going to be cut make a pittance, and a lot of the guys who do make the team play for the league minimum or a little more.  A handful of stars make quite a bit.  Most of the money on multi-year contracts is not guaranteed

There aren't enough top QBs to go around.  Not every team has one.  Oakland's QB has had one good season - which ended in injury - and he signed a guaranteed contract for 5 years at $25 million per year.  The SF QB has yet to start a full season and signed a guaranteed 5 year contract for even more than that.

Yet despite these enormous contracts and this huge disparity between the QBs and the average pay for the 90 players on the team, it's never mentioned by the media.  Ever.  There are no breathless reporters going on about ''disparity'', ''greed'', or the end of civilization as we know it due to this gross injustice.


Why?  Because it's meaningless.  It's not really even a story.  And more importantly - the only difference between this and the endless stories about CEO pay - there are no political points to be scored, there is no trashing of the country to be done.
Well, I don't mean to bother you again, but in my circles, people are appalled at how much athletes area paid.  Same with top execs in all fields, including healthcare, education, and nonprofits.

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Jojo

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 20, 2018, 01:09:18 AM
You think any of those place would deal with this bullshit in anyway other way than hard line militant? Please, give your head a good shake. ::)
That's not what was designed to shake. 

And that's what I'm saying, that I might expect Communist countries to isolate babes in arms, but not our country!

And, just the other day the gov said they don't take babes in arms away, so how could this turn about come so fast?  Mark my word, I don't think this issue is going to die quietly.  Even the TV broadcaster fell apart when reading the script.  These are humans allegedly ?seeking asylum, not livestock, so I'm almost positive it is an international human rights violation.

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starramus

Why is no one crying about the kids actually being killed in Yemen, and Syria, and Gaza? Remember those 9 boys gathering firewood on the hillside in Afghanistan? https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/world/asia/03afghan.html

Remember the 8 year old girl who bled to death from Trump's first op? As she laying dying she told her mother, "don't cry momma I will be alright". https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/01/yemen-strike-eight-year-old-american-girl-killed-al-awlaki

I can go on and on, but will keep this post short.

Your sympathies are directed, and selective. amerikkka's number one export is death!

starramus

the Trumpster's braggadocio about his acumen as a businessman are all BS! Come on Trumpites digest the numbers and then eat some more shit! It is guaranteed that his budgetary nonsense will end in financial collapse. might this be his actual goal?

Why is unemployment in the US so low under Donald Trump?
Clint Potts
Clint Potts, I passed the constitution test in 8th grade. I read a lot of policy. I'm a wonk.
Answered Jun 14

This post is getting a lot of visibility, and therefore, a lot of comments. I’m doing my best to keep up, but I’m starting to see trolls enter the feed. If you want to debate the numbers, go for it. If you come in and abuse other Quorans, I will report your post and delete your comment. My answer. My rules. Be nice. Be respectful. If you want to refute the numbers, just like homework…show your work. I did.

You aren’t going to like this answer, but if you look at data on the economy from any official source, you will see the same thing. The unemployment rate under Trump is “so low” because it was already 99% “so low” when Obama left office. The policies that Obama put in place have simply continued to pay economic dividends in a stronger economy.

Now, if you want to look at things that have happened since Trump took office, you will see that the bloom is starting to come off the rose. US Economists consider a “healthy US economy” will produce 200,000 new jobs each month. Under Obama, we were exceeding that pace and justly, the economy was considered to be, “robust”. We posted many consecutive months where 300,000 new jobs, or more, were posted. Any number above the baseline of 200,000 should be considered positive. Below, negative.

To give you some perspective, here is a chart showing where we were in 2008. Remember, Obama was elected in November of this year…

2008:

You can see where we were. In November, 2008, we were LOSING around 700,000 jobs that month. We can agree that this was pretty shitty job performance. There really isn’t another word for it. We also need to agree, that the downward trend was owned by President Bush.

So now let’s look at 2009. Remember, when Obama entered office, he pushed through financing to rescue General Motors and the other automakers. He enacted an economic stimulus package.

Here is 2009:

Note the immediate change in the direction of the graph. Up is good. Also note, you still can’t see the 200,000/month mark on the Y-Axis. We are still in a down economy, despite the very positive trending.

Now we move to 2010. Personal note, I was laid off in November of 2009. So to my mind, the economy still sucked.

Here is 2010:

This is an odd graph. Note the erratic movement. Note also the region of the graph in which that movement is occurring. We have moved into positive territory for the first time in our story. That high point in the graph shows our economy posted over 500,000 NEW JOBS in that month. We continue to move back and forth in this region for the remainder of the year. Personal note, I took a new job in August. For me, the economy doesn’t suck anymore.

Here is 2011:

First, note the region of the graph. The entire year happens above the ZERO mark. That means for the first time in 4 years, we didn’t LOSE jobs. Yes, several months were below the line we call, Healthy, Also note that we do hit the 200,000 line in 4â€"5 months of the year. Personal note, I like my new job.

Now we move to 2012:

This is Obama’s final year of his first term. He is battling Mitt Romney for the Presidency.

Once again, we spend the year not losing jobs. We are still struggling with the 200,000 Jobs line. Obama is re-elected in November. Some have looked at this year and describe it as typical election year performance. There is uncertainty in which direction we will turn based on who is elected. Note that November and December turn sharply upwards. There is now certainty in our direction.

2013:

Again, note the region of the graph. We are above the 200,000 line for 7 of 12 months.

2014:

We spend only 1â€"2 months marginally below the 200,000 line. Ten months are at or above that line. I still like my job.

2015:

This is once again a strange year, but note that we begin the year producing just over 200,000 jobs/month and we end the year at slightly more than that. We held steady, despite a few down months.

We move to 2016. Election year. Last year of Obama’s presidency:

Once again, we post an uncertain year in an election year. Trump is selected as the nominee. Sanders and Clinton battle for the Democratic nomination. We stay in positive territory all year, but the year flirts with that pesky 200,000 job level, only making 5/12 months above that mark.

2017 Trump’s first year in office begins on January 20, 2017:

This is where Trump supporters like to wake up and start looking at the jobs numbers. They want to act like there were no numbers prior to January. You need to remember that Trump has done NOTHING at this point. He’s signed a few executive orders declaring some Obama policies null and void. He tries and fails to enact his travel ban on Muslims. He changes press secretaries 14 times. We have a very uncertain year, nearly bottoming out in September where we almost reach ZERO for the first time in several years. We spend exactly 6/12 months at or above 200,000. February is EXACTLY 200,000. Two months are spent below 100,000. September hits a low of 14,000 created jobs. Remember, Trump hasn’t enacted any fiscal policy. Congress has passed no laws. We spend a relatively flat year, existing on the work of President Obama, but there are signs that the economy is starting to flatten.

Now, we move into this year. Trump has ended his first year in office. He’s changed the Chair of the Federal Reserve. He passes his Tax Cut for the wealthiest Americans in December. This is his first act on the economy at large.

2018:

Note the region of the graph. We are in positive territory. We are flirting with the 200,000 mark.

Now, your question was: Why is the unemployment so low under Donald Trump?

Here is his entire presidency in one graph:

2017 and 2018:

Note the High Water mark of Trump’s presidency comes in February of 2018. The official number was 324,000 jobs created. Where was Obama’s high water mark?

Remember this graph from 2010?

That peak is at 522,000 jobs created. Trump loves to say that the economy has never been better and he takes credit for it all. Well, Trump lies. It’s right there in May of 2010. Trump hasn’t come close to Obama’s numbers. At best, he can legitimately claim that he has had roughly the SAME numbers as Obama in his final two years of office. But, look at the variance from month to month. We are swinging from high to low with some pretty radical jumps. This is uncertainty. This is Trump’s economy now. He gets all the credit from here on out.

OK. Just because I can, here is the whole shootin’ match:

Notice that the only “bad” years were in Bush’s last year, and Obama’s first year. All other years jumble the top of the graph. Can you tell, in that mess, where Trump took over? Can you point to his improved performance? Can you say that this is the best of all time?

Can you “believe him?” Not objectively. He can’t even claim to have the best month on record.

That peak belongs to President Obama. Go tell your friends.

Here is the raw data from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics:

You can obtain this data for yourself at: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Knock yourself out.

And now that we know how to read a graph, look at this one:

Look at where we were when Bush left office. Notice that it looks like a ski jump? We were at huge unemployment. Now look at what happens after Obama enters office and stimulates the economy with the stimulus package. It starts to fall quickly and moves in that direction right until he leaves office. That direction continues through Trump’s first year. Now remember, Trump has done virtually nothing since entering office. This trend belongs to Obama. Trump’s tax cut is enacted in December of 2017, marking his first economic decision that impacts the economy.

Know your numbers. Tell your friends.



Quote from: 14 on June 20, 2018, 04:11:42 AM
Well, I don't mean to bother you again, but in my circles, people are appalled at how much athletes area paid.  Same with top execs in all fields, including healthcare, education, and nonprofits.

Fourteen

My post was not about overpaid athletes, it was about the media and why they weren't reporting on pay disparities within teams the way they do with pay within corporations.

Quote from: starramus on June 20, 2018, 05:09:05 AM
Why is no one crying about the kids actually being killed in Yemen, and Syria, and Gaza? Remember those 9 boys gathering firewood on the hillside in Afghanistan? https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/world/asia/03afghan.html

Remember the 8 year old girl who bled to death from Trump's first op? As she laying dying she told her mother, "don't cry momma I will be alright". https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/01/yemen-strike-eight-year-old-american-girl-killed-al-awlaki

I can go on and on, but will keep this post short.

Your sympathies are directed, and selective. amerikkka's number one export is death!

No doubt your solution is to hand the country over to the people who would implement the same policies they implemented in Venezuela.  Because the kids are doing so well there.  The ''Progressives'' who run our big cities have created stunning levels of crime and poverty in our inner cities.  Of course none of that affects the kids there.  The Far Left darling of Hamas and others using children as human shields is of course perfectly legit.

Your post is a psych-op, a few very unfortunate events used to try to present our security policy as something other than what it is.  Your solution would be to step back and let the worse people in the world have their way - people who are friends and allies of the Far Left, like ISIS.
   

You know, I'd be for Marxism too, except for the way bad luck seems to follow them around.  The Soviet Union had poor harvests caused by bad weather for 70 years straight.  So did China under Mao, Cuba under Castro, and so on.  It's so strange that every year the North Koreans have such unlucky weather when right across the border in South Korea the weather is always perfect for growing their crops. 

It's uncanny.  The odds tell us Marxism is poised for an extended streak of good luck when it comes to farming, fishing, production and so on, and when it does we should certainly be participating in the abundance.

Quote from: starramus on June 20, 2018, 05:09:05 AM
... Your sympathies are directed, and selective...

There's some irony for you

Metron2267

Quote from: 14 on June 19, 2018, 11:28:10 PM
I previously spent most of my time in the GNS Thread and Random Topics.  I am currently inbetween jobs, with more time.  Who is Keith?  Now that I realize he is not Damon.  Suspicious minds!  8)

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What????

You don't know who Keith Rowland is, seriously?

OK, you're a plant. :(


PaulAtreides

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 19, 2018, 07:02:17 PM
Breaking News: Earlier today pud was escorted from Bellgab.

Frog marched?

Metron2267

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 20, 2018, 12:36:59 AM

There aren't enough top QBs to go around.  Not every team has one.  Oakland's QB has had one good season - which ended in injury - and he signed a guaranteed contract for 5 years at $25 million per year.  The SF QB has yet to start a full season and signed a guaranteed 5 year contract for even more than that.

Yet despite these enormous contracts and this huge disparity between the QBs and the average pay for the 90 players on the team, it's never mentioned by the media.  Ever.  There are no breathless reporters going on about ''disparity'', ''greed'', or the end of civilization as we know it due to this gross injustice.


Why?  Because it's meaningless.  It's not really even a story.  And more importantly - the only difference between this and the endless stories about CEO pay - there are no political points to be scored, there is no trashing of the country to be done.

And the Cardinals toss the always injured or rehabbing, broken-knee'd Sam Bradford a cool $30 mil guaranteed money to...not get them in the playoffs but to look great in the 6 games he'll last before another ACL pop.

That's how thin the market is for legit starting QBs.

Meanwhile:

http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-highest-paid-positions-2014-9

Meanwhile, long snappers ($1.1M) and fullbacks ($1.7M) are the cheapest positions.

Supply/demand is a cruel equation no matter where it's deployed.


Kidnostad3

Quote from: 14 on June 20, 2018, 04:11:42 AM
Well, I don't mean to bother you again, but in my circles, people are appalled at how much athletes area paid.  Same with top execs in all fields, including healthcare, education, and nonprofits.

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Are you equally appalled by how much movie stars and MSM personalities make?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 18, 2018, 07:37:36 PM
Still nothing from Pud?  Is he just going to pretend he didn't see this link yesterday or this morning on UK immigrant family separation practices?

I think he owes us either an apology for his ignorant hate speech (copied below) or an explanation of British policy and why he's ignored it.  Given his level of anger and hostility (again, below), he needs to also address all the other presidents and Congresses who governed under this law and didn't change it, and the fake news media who have ignored it for decades as well. 

While he's at it, I'd like to see his list of countries who let anyone walk across the border into their countries, and are then welcomed with open arms.  Unfortunately, I'm guessing the only thing we'll get from him on this is more lies about Trump:

I'll say this:

Any soulless cruel cunt who makes it policy to separate young children from their mother as a means of deterrence to others should be rightly burned alive. It is a throwback (and was compared as such by that weasel Sessions) to what the Nazis' did to the non Aryans in the 1930's. His 'reasoning' was at least the parents now aren't being killed! What happened to the crowing too? If it's such a popular policy (it is policy not law) why isn't Trump congratulating himself and saying it's a big beautiful idea of his? Cold feet?

Anyone who can remember what they felt like when they got lost in a crowd and separated from their parents even briefly and how their parents had that sick feeling can surely relate to this. If not then you are a sociopath. Once again, I'm against illegal immigration, that is not the same as splitting up families to make a point.

I'm not going to apologise to you. Why the fuck should I? I'm not the craven Trump cultist who hangs onto his every word as the gospel. One day you or your family too might need to be rescued from horrors you so far cannot imagine, let's hope someone is there for you eh? In the meantime, fuck Trump with angry wasps.

Metron2267

Quote from: 14 on June 20, 2018, 12:39:26 AM
Well, to me, wealth and resource exploitation are not important.

Illogical.

Wealth grades success.

Resource exploitation determines bottom line.

QuoteWhat's important to me is to have a healthy, sustainable self and local community. 

Which must be insured by a larger ecosystem of profit and repeatable results.

QuoteThere is a lot of environmental waste and damage in the pursuit of wealth - built in obsolescence, destructive environmental haste, unnecessary packaging, greed...

Congratulations, you have observed that in a mixed economy inefficiencies will exist as choice is not dictated by command.

QuoteI liked this article:
https://www.shmoop.com/economic-systems/types.html

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Did you?

For most of the world, the Soviet collapse proved that command economies were simply inferior to the market-dominated mixed economies of the capitalist world. Of course, China â€" still ruled politically by an authoritarian Communist Party, even though its economy is now more mixed if not exactly free â€" is now the biggest creditor nation to the United States.

Metron2267

Quote from: 14 on June 20, 2018, 12:53:17 AM
I think the Capitalist line of thinking is what puts corn syrup and other controversial ingredients like the new datum  in our food.  I don't think subsidizing increased production is good for society.
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Of course you'd blame capitalism for decisions consumers are allowed to make which do not fit your narrow personal preferences, the same preferences this capitalist system allows you to CHOOSE to adopt.

Metron2267

Quote from: 14 on June 20, 2018, 01:00:20 AM
Besides, it looks bad to live like a king when people are put out of work and the company bankrupt, then bailed out at taxpayer expense.  It just doesn't seem right.

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Oh dear oh dear...and there was no price paid for such excess?

Please, spare us the crocodile tears.

Metron2267

Quote from: 14 on June 20, 2018, 01:04:39 AM
Didn't they say they don't separate nursing children from their mothers????????  Children can nurse well past infancy. 

SFW?

Children need NOT nurse "well past infancy" biologically speaking.

QuotePoor Rachel Maddow, cracking up on air.  I don't blame her.

Oh sod that dizzy old dyke!

Those are crocodile tears, where's the glycerine?

>:( >:( >:( >:(

QuoteYou'd expect the controversy to be in the old USSR, or China.  Not here, in our country.

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Are they being invaded by illegals?

No?

If not, why not?

Cop a rational world view, Dem plant. :(

Metron2267

Quote from: 14 on June 20, 2018, 04:11:42 AM
Well, I don't mean to bother you again, but in my circles, people are appalled at how much athletes area paid.  Same with top execs in all fields, including healthcare, education, and nonprofits.

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Oh WAH! :'(

Metron2267

Quote from: 14 on June 20, 2018, 04:15:39 AM
That's not what was designed to shake. 

And that's what I'm saying, that I might expect Communist countries to isolate babes in arms, but not our country!

Again, how many communist nations are being INVADED by hordes of illegals?

QuoteAnd, just the other day the gov said they don't take babes in arms away, so how could this turn about come so fast?  Mark my word, I don't think this issue is going to die quietly.  Even the TV broadcaster fell apart when reading the script.  These are humans allegedly ?seeking asylum, not livestock, so I'm almost positive it is an international human rights violation.

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This happened from 2008 forward under both Bush( who signed it to law)  and Obama, yet somehow NOW it's a cause celebre?

You're an easily gamed and pawned useful idiot! >:(


Metron2267

Quote from: starramus on June 20, 2018, 05:09:05 AM
amerikkka's number one export is death!

Which sainted nation are you from again, shitbag?

FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU ASSHOLE! >:(

Metron2267

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 20, 2018, 08:25:03 AM
I'll say this:

Any soulless cruel cunt who makes it policy to separate young children from their mother as a means of deterrence to others should be rightly burned alive.

Starting with Bush who signed this into law and Obama who continued it for two terms???

Right?

FUCK YOU! >:(

Metron2267

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 20, 2018, 08:25:03 AM
I'll say this:
I'm not the craven Trump cultist who hangs onto his every word as the gospel.

You need to quit recycling that tired canard.

You're OLD NEWS vomited back in your own mouth so many times the bile tastes like sugar.

Drop dead, you arsehole foreign instigator. >:(

Metron2267

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 20, 2018, 07:00:22 AM
My post was not about overpaid athletes, it was about the media and why they weren't reporting on pay disparities within teams the way they do with pay within corporations.

No votes to be whored out in sports... ::)

Metron2267

Quote from: starramus on June 20, 2018, 05:23:30 AM

That peak belongs to President Obama. Go tell your friends.

Here is the raw data from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics:

You can obtain this data for yourself at: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Knock yourself out.


Empty post, your disinformation was so deceitful you couldn't even include a URL.

Fuck off and DIE, traitor! >:(

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