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President Donald J. Trump

Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM



Oh yeah?  Well, when Al Gore was born, the Gore family made their money though corrupt back room deals with the government.  Oh, wait..

Gd5150

Algore invented the polar bear.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on April 12, 2018, 11:18:24 PM
Oh yeah?  Well, when Al Gore was born, the Gore family made their money though corrupt back room deals with the government.  Oh, wait..



Dr. MD MD

Quote from: GravitySucks on April 12, 2018, 11:33:16 PM
Because he invented internet dating

I thought he invented the rub and tug.  ???

WOTR

Quote from: 21st Century Man on April 10, 2018, 04:00:31 AM
I'm not saying that you are wrong but Trump never made promises about the Fed, the banksters and the Debt.  Those issues are not what he campaigned on.  I happen to agree with you, I think, on all those issues.  However, none of his campaign promises nor your favorite issues can be fixed overnight.  Can you imagine what would happen to Wall Street if Trump dissolved the Fed?  LOL.  No, these things can't be fixed on a whim.  How is he supposed to accomplish his goals when this phony investigation is hanging over him?
I suppose that overall, you are correct.  I guess my version of the swamp that needed to be drained and what most voters understand the swamp to be are not the same.  I also probably should have realized that this is a man who build an empire on debt.  It seems unlikely that he is going to recognize debt for what it is, and rather that he is one of the standard politicians who believes it to be a very valuable "tool."  (Yes, I get the irony of calling debt valuable.)  :)

albrecht

Quote from: WOTR on April 13, 2018, 12:22:26 AM
I suppose that overall, you are correct.  I guess my version of the swamp that needed to be drained and what most voters understand the swamp to be are not the same.  I also probably should have realized that this is a man who build an empire on debt.  It seems unlikely that he is going to recognize debt for what it is, and rather that he is one of the standard politicians who believes it to be a very valuable "tool."  (Yes, I get the irony of calling debt valuable.)  :)
It is called 'leverage' in the Clubs. And like the terms implies is usefull, either way. Strike that, many ways.

WOTR

Quote from: ACE of CLUBS on April 10, 2018, 08:04:42 AM
Is there anyone in the Republican ranks that could/would be a contender in the future?
President Trump is mired in controversy, and the American public really isn't getting the governance that was promised or needed.
The same policies that President Trump campaigned on wouldn't be so flammable if presented by someone 'Presidential like' .....
Who could lead the Republicans into an election ?

You may or may not like Trump... But the electors got exactly what they voted for- a "non-politician."  Asking who could lead the republicans into an election is pointless and completely ignores the will of the people who voted this president in.  They did not want "presidential like". Some wanted a leader who was "not Hillary like", and others actually wanted somebody who is "anti - politician - like."  They found that in Trump.

I have no doubt that some regret their vote (this is always the case.)  But I do believe that his core supporters are happy with what they have and there is simply no way that the Republicans are going to run anybody else.  Voters have another chance in a couple years to change their minds.  The real question is who the Democrats will run against him.  I think they should give Hillary another shot and guarantee a two term President Trump.  ;)

WOTR

Quote from: albrecht on April 13, 2018, 12:27:14 AM
It is called 'leverage' in the Clubs. And like the terms implies is usefull, either way. Strike that, many ways.
This is what the politicians in my country keep telling me while they rack up record debts and deficits and now say that it would be bad to balance the books.  I'm sure that those who hold the federal debt are very happy to hear that they will have a multi billion dollar gravy train when interest rates rise and they can extract record amounts of interest from the tax payers.

I don't believe that all debt is bad- but western countries are addicted and the politicians are thrilled that we keep letting them buy us with our future income while enriching their closest friends.  It's a hell of a system.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: WOTR on April 13, 2018, 12:28:40 AM
You may or may not like Trump... But the electors got exactly what they voted for- a "non-politician."  Asking who could lead the republicans into an election is pointless and completely ignores the will of the people who voted this president in.  They did not want "presidential like". Some wanted a leader who was "not Hillary like", and others actually wanted somebody who is "anti - politician - like."  They found that in Trump.

I have no doubt that some regret their vote (this is always the case.)  But I do believe that his core supporters are happy with what they have and there is simply no way that the Republicans are going to run anybody else.  Voters have another chance in a couple years to change their minds.  The real question is who the Democrats will run against him.  I think they should give Hillary another shot and guarantee a two term President Trump.  ;)

I'd be OK with a sniper taking another shot at her. ;)

WOTR

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on April 11, 2018, 11:52:11 AM
The problem with establishment Repiublicans like you is you can't organize for shit, you alienate anyone interested in your politics with petty arguments and squabbles,
Oh, for fuck sake.  Paging Mr. Pot.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on April 10, 2018, 10:33:08 AM
I look forward to invading your country. ;)
I also look forward to your last day.  ;)

WOTR

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on April 13, 2018, 12:33:02 AM
I'd be OK with a sniper taking another shot at her. ;)
Come on... She needs to live and remain free to run for president again.  There is no better way to guarantee a Trump victory with minimal effort.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: WOTR on April 13, 2018, 12:35:02 AM
Oh, for fuck sake.  Paging Mr. Pot.
I also look forward to your last day.  ;)

That's a little extreme. ::)

But explain...what's the draw of socialism for you?

albrecht

Quote from: WOTR on April 13, 2018, 12:32:07 AM
This is what the politicians in my country keep telling me while they rack up record debts and deficits and now say that it would be bad to balance the books.  I'm sure that those who hold the federal debt are very happy to hear that they will have a multi billion dollar gravy train when interest rates rise and they can extract record amounts of interest from the tax payers.

I don't believe that all debt is bad- but western countries are addicted and the politicians are thrilled that we keep letting them buy us with our future income while enriching their closest friends.  It's a hell of a system.
I wouldn't to dare risk Canadian laws but usury, was proscribed, was once practiced only by some. Then, when realized how profitable, create a system by others, with some banks that even involve an infamous hanging, mafia, and grave news (and pedo), even not of a tribe?  Also, interesting, the odd ways some others, at odds with tribe, depending on sect, get around stuff.

WOTR

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on April 13, 2018, 12:37:17 AM
That's a little extreme. ::)

But explain...what's the draw of socialism for you?
I like that we are all equal.  Everything is divided up among my brothers, and the fruits of my labour are pooled with the Falkies of the world.  Everybody is a winner.  :P

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: WOTR on April 13, 2018, 12:42:28 AM
I like that we are all equal.  Everything is divided up among my brothers, and the fruits of my labour are pooled with the Falkies of the world.  Everybody is a winner.  :P

I'm talking about in reality, not that recurring dream you have. :D

Quote from: WOTR on April 13, 2018, 12:22:26 AM
I suppose that overall, you are correct.  I guess my version of the swamp that needed to be drained and what most voters understand the swamp to be are not the same.  I also probably should have realized that this is a man who build an empire on debt.  It seems unlikely that he is going to recognize debt for what it is, and rather that he is one of the standard politicians who believes it to be a very valuable "tool."  (Yes, I get the irony of calling debt valuable.)  :)

There's different kinds of debt.

Borrowing money to buy a home makes sense.  You get a place to live, and it grows in value.  Borrowing money to buy a car can make sense - pay as you use it, rather than ride the bus for years to save for one.  Credit card debt to buy clothes, vacations, dinners, and concerts makes no sense (unless it's used as strictly as a financial tool and paid off promptly at the end of the month).

Corporate debt can be useful in expanding operations while keeping the cash on hand to ensure expenses - such as payroll - are met.

Government debt can be helpful as well - if it's used to build long-term infrastructure, or paying for current bumps such as a war or natural disaster.  What it should not be used for is the equivalent of credit card debt for current expenditures - ongoing social programs, public safety, and all the other things government spends money on should be paid for as we go.  Including setting aside enough to cover future pensions for work being done now.


All debt is not the same.  It wouldn't be at all hypercritical for a businessman who used debt to grow his business to have a policy as president of eliminating government deficits and debt. 

Quote from: WOTR on April 13, 2018, 12:32:07 AM
This is what the politicians in my country keep telling me while they rack up record debts and deficits and now say that it would be bad to balance the books.  I'm sure that those who hold the federal debt are very happy to hear that they will have a multi billion dollar gravy train when interest rates rise and they can extract record amounts of interest from the tax payers.

I don't believe that all debt is bad- but western countries are addicted and the politicians are thrilled that we keep letting them buy us with our future income while enriching their closest friends.  It's a hell of a system.

LOL.  I grew up in a home where everything was bought only if we could afford it.  My Mom frequently resisted buying extravagances for herself in order to buy extravagances for me. :-[ Everything was budgeted.  Why our government can't be run like that is beyond me. Of course I know why it can't because then the government would have to be trimmed and nobody wants their favorite program cut.  I don't know how it will all end but I'm confident it will not be a pretty end.

Quote from: WOTR on April 13, 2018, 12:28:40 AM
You may or may not like Trump... But the electors got exactly what they voted for- a "non-politician."  Asking who could lead the republicans into an election is pointless and completely ignores the will of the people who voted this president in.  They did not want "presidential like". Some wanted a leader who was "not Hillary like", and others actually wanted somebody who is "anti - politician - like."  They found that in Trump.

I have no doubt that some regret their vote (this is always the case.)  But I do believe that his core supporters are happy with what they have and there is simply no way that the Republicans are going to run anybody else.  Voters have another chance in a couple years to change their minds.  The real question is who the Democrats will run against him.  I think they should give Hillary another shot and guarantee a two term President Trump.  ;)

The Trump candidacy pulled all the coverage from the other 15 candidates.  For several reasons.  No one else really got their message out, and the field was lackluster anyway, to say the least.  Hilary was awful in the general. 

I think it was Trump by default - he's a lousy candidate as well - look how he conducts himself and manages to steer his way into trouble every time - but he did grab the issues the Tea Party and Middle America wanted addressed:  immigration, Moslem refugee invaders, the reversal of Obama policies across the board, the elimination of ISIS then an end to US intervention in that area of the globe, reversing the growth of government and government intrusion, reversing the swamp / globalism / crony capitalism / official corruption.

Obama left a complete mess.  Much of which started long before he arrived, but which he happily exacerbated and added more corruption and racial division of his own.  No one can dig us out of all that in one or even two terms.  And that's not even discussing education, our cities, our crumbling infrastructure, tax policy, and so on.


Problem with Trump is the very over-the-top brashness that gets certain things done is also what in the end will doom his presidency and likely ultimately usher in a permanent one-party Democrat government.  Arnold Schwarzenegger's California still looks like the model, just on a bigger stage with a bigger, albeit more competent, personality

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on April 13, 2018, 01:15:51 AM
The Trump candidacy pulled all the coverage from the other 15 candidates.  For several reasons.  No one else really got their message out, and the field was lackluster anyway, to say the least.  Hilary was awful in the general. 

I think it was Trump by default - he's a lousy candidate as well - look how he conducts himself and manages to steer his way into trouble every time - but he did grab the issues the Tea Party and Middle America wanted addressed:  immigration, Moslem refugee invaders, the reversal of Obama policies across the board, and end to US involvement in certain areas of the globe, reversing the growth of government and government intrusion, reversing the swamp / globalism / crony capitalism / official corruption.

Obama left a complete mess.  Much of which started long before he arrived, but which he happily exacerbated and added corruption and division of his own.  No one can dig us out of all that in one or even two terms.  And that's not even discussing education, our cities, our crumbling infrastructure, and so on.


Problem with Trump is the very over the top brashness that gets certain things done is also what in the end will doom his presidency and likely ultimately usher in a one-party Democrat rule.  Arnold Schwarzenegger's California still looks like the model, just on a bigger stage with a bigger, albeit more competent personality

Over my dead body!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

WOTR

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on April 13, 2018, 01:15:51 AM
The Trump candidacy pulled all the coverage from the other 15 candidates.  For several reasons.  No one else really got their message out, and the field was lackluster anyway, to say the least.  Hilary was awful in the general. 

I think it was Trump by default - he's a lousy candidate as well - look how he conducts himself and manages to steer his way into trouble every time - but he did grab the issues the Tea Party and Middle America wanted addressed:  immigration, Moslem refugee invaders, the reversal of Obama policies across the board, the elimination of ISIS then an end to US intervention in that area of the globe, reversing the growth of government and government intrusion, reversing the swamp / globalism / crony capitalism / official corruption.

Obama left a complete mess.  Much of which started long before he arrived, but which he happily exacerbated and added more corruption and racial division of his own.  No one can dig us out of all that in one or even two terms.  And that's not even discussing education, our cities, our crumbling infrastructure, tax policy, and so on.

I don't really argue that.  And I would think that there are a number of people who voted for him and don't much care for him (for some reason, I think that I have heard the term "still better than a Hillary presidency" somewhere before...)  ;)

But there would have been people who voted for him because they appreciated his directness, his brashness.  I'm curious if you think that most of the people who were really supportive of him during the election still remain so?  Do you imagine that there could be a different Republican candidate in his place?

I only get to watch from afar (and I get that California may not have been a hotbed of Trump support to start with.)  :D

Quote from: 21st Century Man on April 13, 2018, 01:21:41 AM
Over my dead body!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Watch out for Soros and Antifa.  ;)

Dr. MD MD

Establishment Republicans would and are blowing a free lunch. If Trump didn't run Republican Hillary would be president now and I'm starting to think that most of you here really deserve her as president. In case you haven't noticed no one's really going for your platform issues like going to war in Syria. Doesn't matter to you idiots. You're right and you'll be right until you lose the election by trying to palm off to the public yet another crony capitalist trying to fuck us all over.  ::)

Quote from: WOTR on April 13, 2018, 01:34:28 AM
I don't really argue that.  And I would think that there are a number of people who voted for him and don't much care for him (for some reason, I think that I have heard the term "still better than a Hillary presidency" somewhere before...)  ;)

But there would have been people who voted for him because they appreciated his directness, his brashness.  I'm curious if you think that most of the people who were really supportive of him during the election still remain so?  Do you imagine that there could be a different Republican candidate in his place?

I only get to watch from afar (and I get that California may not have been a hotbed of Trump support to start with.)  :D
Watch out for Soros and Antifa.  ;)

They come to my house and they will be met with firepower.  I'm lining up to buy an AR-15 real soon.   Had a blast shooting one the other day and now I'm in love.  For the time being though, I've got a .308, a Glock and a Ruger 10/22.

WOTR

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on April 13, 2018, 01:02:45 AM
There's different kinds of debt.
I agree completely.  Hell- nobody could buy a house without some form of debt.  It has it's place.  The problem is that the government has been starting to fuck with it (shocking.)  Even what sounds good is now questionable.  And if you do not keep a close eye on budgets, they can be very misleading.

The first result that google returned for what I was looking for in relation to capital spending- a category that used to be roads, bridges, infrasturcture...

"In practice, however, not all of the government’s infrastructure projects fit this bill. Of Edmonton’s $35 billion in planned core government capital spending, just 20.6 per cent is for roads and bridges...

A large share of the spendingâ€"34 per cent of the totalâ€"is for projects related to education, health care, and social services including social housing, schools and post-secondary campuses, and medical facilities. While these initiatives may be appreciated by the communities in which they are built, there’s no evidence such spending will improve economic growth. 

It ends with the words " In the upcoming provincial budget, the Notley government will likely tout the economic benefits of its debt-financed infrastructure spending. Albertans, however, should be skeptical of such claims."

There has been so much fucking with the budget lately that you can no longer believe what you hear or read.  Count me among the "skeptical" when I hear about the economic benefits of our debt (again, realizing that some debt is not the end of the world- but accruing debt for social housing and calling it "capital spending" is dumb.)

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on April 13, 2018, 01:35:53 AM
Establishment Republicans would and are blowing a free lunch. If Trump didn't run Republican Hillary would be president now and I'm starting to think that most of you here really deserve her as president. In case you haven't noticed no one's really going for your platform issues like going to war in Syria. Doesn't matter to you idiots. You're right and you'll be right until you lose the election by trying to palm off of the public yet another crony capitalist trying to fuck us all over.  ::)

I'm against doing anything against Assad in Syria.  I'd rather see the Russkies and Assad kill a bunch of ISIS fighters.  Seems simple to me.  Lindsey "Candyass" Graham can stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: 21st Century Man on April 13, 2018, 01:47:03 AM
I'm against doing anything against Assad in Syria.  I'd rather see the Russkies and Assad kill a bunch of ISIS fighters.

Amen! This investigation is a farce and Rush is saying don't fire anyone. I totally disagree. Trump needs to go a little more hardline now. It's obvious to me that order won't be restored to the country until he imposes martial law and starts rounding up all these seditious bastards with the military. It's just what he has to do now if things are ever going to get better.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on April 13, 2018, 01:50:49 AM
Amen! This investigation is a farce and Rush is saying don't fire anyone. I totally disagree. Trump needs to go a little more hardline now. It's obvious to me that order won't be restored to the country until he imposes martial law and starts rounding up all these seditious bastards with the military. It's just what he has to do now if things are ever going to get better.

I don't think Mueller should be fired.  If it happens, a lot of Establishment Republicans will join with the Democrats and Trump will be removed from office.  If that wasn't the case, I'd agree with you. However the RINO's still run the party.

WOTR

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on April 13, 2018, 01:50:49 AM
Amen! This investigation is a farce and Rush is saying don't fire anyone. I totally disagree. Trump needs to go a little more hardline now. It's obvious to me that order won't be restored to the country until he imposes martial law and starts rounding up all these seditious bastards with the military. It's just what he has to do now if things are ever going to get better.
Nothing says democracy and freedom like martial law and tanks rolling through the streets of American cities.  :D


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