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Quote from: Yorkshire pud on April 27, 2018, 09:36:48 AM
It's hilarious the hypocrisy of Trumpers. A woman shoots her mouth off to cops and she's 'disgusting'. The manchild in the WH says the vilest things about anyone he decides doesn't love him enough or they've had the temerity to remind people what a grotesque, lying, disloyal, adulterous sexual predator he is and he gets a pass.

The swamp who are on the taxpayers dime (Pruitt, Mnuchin, Price etc etc) carry on filling their pockets when one of the campaign promises was it would stop and nothing is said by the Trumpers.. November can't come soon enough. I wonder if the GOP will have enough candidates though because they seem to be retiring to spend time with their families at a higher than normal rate..  ;)

It is no secret that Trump has a questionable moral character but what about this costly phony investigation being done by Mueller?   That is not a waste of the taxpayer's dime?  Really?  I mean if you are going to talk about waste, let's not leave that out. 

ShayP

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on April 27, 2018, 09:36:48 AM
It's hilarious the hypocrisy of Trumpers. A woman shoots her mouth off to cops and she's 'disgusting'.

If it were Trump doing the same thing to the Police Officers as she was doing, then yes I would say he was disgusting.

Quote from: ShayP on April 27, 2018, 09:48:09 AM
If it were Trump doing the same thing to the Police Officers as she was doing, then yes I would say he was disgusting.

Right-on.  :D ;)

ItsOver

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on April 27, 2018, 04:33:32 AM
Entitled much?! This, in a nutshell, crystalizes just what's wrong with the kleptocratic neoliberal worldview and why people like Hillary Clinton et al MUST go to jail:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6vlu1FRaic

What a truly disgusting women.  :D
"I'm in charge."  ::)

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: 21st Century Man on April 27, 2018, 09:47:56 AM
It is no secret that Trump has a questionable moral character but what about this costly phony investigation being done by Mueller? 

Sigh: It isn't. He was appointed by a Trump appointed DAG to look into allegations.. And so far 24 people have been indicted, (Money laundering, tax evasion, not notifying being a foreign agent, more tax evasion), 4 have pleaded guilty, two so far are facing lengthy jail sentences, and even Trump's own lawyer/non lawyer (depending on which day and how Trump feels that day) is taking the fifth because presumably he knows he'll be asked questions he knows the answer to will reveal his own guilt.. Trump said many times on the campaign that anyone taking the fifth was by definition guilty, that only 'The Mob' take the fifth..His words. 
So no, it isn't a waste of time or money. The above is only what has been revealed so far, I'm sure Mueller is sitting on a veritable treasure chest of information.. One of the witnesses (disciple of Roger Stone) said after his interview with the Mueller team (without revealing what questions he'd been asked or answered) 'They know everything'.

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That is not a waste of the taxpayer's dime?  Really?  I mean if you are going to talk about waste, let's not leave that out.

In that case then, we'll dismiss every criminal investigation the defendant feels shouldn't be taking place.. Is that how you want it to be? Because Trump says he's innocent he must be right? Funny, so did Bill Cosby, he still does, but was convicted yesterday.

That isn't how the law works. Nor should it.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on April 27, 2018, 09:36:48 AM
It's hilarious the hypocrisy of Trumpers. A woman shoots her mouth off to cops and she's 'disgusting'. The manchild in the WH says the vilest things about anyone he decides doesn't love him enough or they've had the temerity to remind people what a grotesque, lying, disloyal, adulterous sexual predator he is and he gets a pass.

The swamp who are on the taxpayers dime (Pruitt, Mnuchin, Price etc etc) carry on filling their pockets when one of the campaign promises was it would stop and nothing is said by the Trumpers.. November can't come soon enough. I wonder if the GOP will have enough candidates though because they seem to be retiring to spend time with their families at a higher than normal rate..  ;)

If you want vile and filling one's pockets, look no further than the Left and some of the Democrat politicians.  It amazes me people like Pud are all in a tizzy over Trump, but much worse is treated as business as usual if it's the right party.  It's also one thing to claim authority, as this women did, vs actually having authority due to an election

Tell me Pud, what is it Trump said that was ''vile''.  Not saying he hasn't but I'd like to hear your top 3 or 4.  Ok, since there are apparently so many, how about your top 5

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: ShayP on April 27, 2018, 09:48:09 AM
If it were Trump doing the same thing to the Police Officers as she was doing, then yes I would say he was disgusting.

He's said it to the FBI in tweets and on TV.. The FBI as far as I know are a branch of the police, no?

Gd5150

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on April 27, 2018, 04:33:32 AM
Entitled much?! This, in a nutshell, crystalizes just what's wrong with the kleptocratic neoliberal worldview and why people like Hillary Clinton et al MUST go to jail:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6vlu1FRaic

What a truly disgusting women.  :D

Funny watching someone try to use their connections and position to intimidate and get special treatment. She been watching too much Hilary. She would’ve had much better luck if James Comey pulled her over.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on April 27, 2018, 10:04:19 AM
Sigh: It isn't. He was appointed by a Trump appointed DAG to look into allegations.. And so far 24 people have been indicted, (Money laundering, tax evasion, not notifying being a foreign agent, more tax evasion), 4 have pleaded guilty, two so far are facing lengthy jail sentences, and even Trump's own lawyer/non lawyer (depending on which day and how Trump feels that day) is taking the fifth because presumably he knows he'll be asked questions he knows the answer to will reveal his own guilt.. Trump said many times on the campaign that anyone taking the fifth was by definition guilty, that only 'The Mob' take the fifth..His words. 
So no, it isn't a waste of time or money. The above is only what has been revealed so far, I'm sure Mueller is sitting on a veritable treasure chest of information.. One of the witnesses (disciple of Roger Stone) said after his interview with the Mueller team (without revealing what questions he'd been asked or answered) 'They know everything'.

In that case then, we'll dismiss every criminal investigation the defendant feels shouldn't be taking place.. Is that how you want it to be? Because Trump says he's innocent he must be right? Funny, so did Bill Cosby, he still does, but was convicted yesterday.

That isn't how the law works. Nor should it.

Sigh, that is not how it works, or shouldn't be.

The Justice Department is in charge of deciding what to prosecute.  Muller is a rogue ''investigator'' involved n a witchhunt.  His role is outside the Constitution, outside the chain of command within the executive branch.  He was given authority to look into Russian interference in our election, not harass Trump associates hoping to turn up a reason to remove a duly elected president. 

Looking into nooks and crannies for unrelated crimes, bankrupting people with legal fees into taking a plea, destroying lives, etc, is not part of his portfolio, and is a scummy misuse of office.  For some reason he hasn't even looked at Hilary's Russian dealings and contacts.  Why is that?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on April 27, 2018, 10:05:03 AM
If you want vile and filling one's pockets, look no further than the Left and some of the Democrat politicians.  It amazes me people like Pud are all in a tizzy over Trump, but much worse is treated as business as usual.  It's also one thing to claim authority, as this women did, vs actually having it due to an election

Tell me Pud, what is it that that Donald said that was ''vile''.  Not saying he hasn't but I'd like to hear your top 3 or 4.

Too many to list..How about saying that all the women who accused him (including those who were girls at the time) of sexual assault, had all conspired and were 'horrible horrible people' and liars.. At least one has now sued him for defamation of character.

How about him suggesting a judge from (I think) Indiana was biased because his ancestory was Mexican. (He was born in the USA), incidentally, Trump's mother was Scottish.

And who can forget his mocking of a disabled journalist. Or suggesting a female anchor on one of the campaign debates was 'bleeding from her whatever'..

More recently is his denial and now admission that Cohen was working for him over the pay off to a porn star..Which is it? Both answers can't be right, and yesterday, the 30 odd minutes with Fox and Friends was a dream come true for the prosecutors in NY and Stormy Daniels' lawyer, because it completely undid the case that Cohen was trying to make to avoid having to submit information. The presenters were visibly cringing as they heard the train wreck on the phone rant..It ended because the Producers were screaming at the presenters to cut the piece before he said any more, five minutes later they managed it, but the damage had already been done. You need to watch it.. Yesterday's Fox and Friends..Watch their faces rather than listen to him.. It's toe curling.

Trump insisted all the things the Dems had supposedly done was wrong; and he would ensure it would never happen again..Well it is, and unless you're terminally myopic, it's obvious.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on April 27, 2018, 10:15:03 AM
Sigh, that is not how it works, or shouldn't be.

The Justice Department is in charge of deciding what to prosecute.  Muller is a rogue ''investigator'' involved n a witchhunt.


Yes they did, and no he isn't.


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  His role is outside the Constitution, outside the chain of command within the executive branch.  He was given authority to look into Russian interference in our election, not harass Trump associates hoping to turn up a reason to remove a duly elected president. 

Again the exact wording of his task is as follows:

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(©ffice of tqe g}cput- J\tiortte}:J ®eneral
.l!lu.sl1ington, /.<!!. 20530
ORDER NO. 3915-2017
APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL
TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE
2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS
By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C.
§§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and
management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the
Russian govemmenfs efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, I hereby order as
follows:
(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States
Department of Justice.
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI
Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is
authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
(d) Sections 600.4 through 600. l 0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are
applicable to the Special Counsel.


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Looking into nooks and crannies for unrelated crimes, bankrupting people with legal fees into taking a plea, destroying lives, etc, is not part of his portfolio, and is a scummy misuse of office.  For some reason he hasn't even looked at Hilary's Russian dealings and contacts.  Why is that?


See above.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on April 27, 2018, 10:04:19 AM
Sigh: It isn't. He was appointed by a Trump appointed DAG to look into allegations.. And so far 24 people have been indicted, (Money laundering, tax evasion, not notifying being a foreign agent, more tax evasion), 4 have pleaded guilty, two so far are facing lengthy jail sentences, and even Trump's own lawyer/non lawyer (depending on which day and how Trump feels that day) is taking the fifth because presumably he knows he'll be asked questions he knows the answer to will reveal his own guilt.. Trump said many times on the campaign that anyone taking the fifth was by definition guilty, that only 'The Mob' take the fifth..His words. 
So no, it isn't a waste of time or money. The above is only what has been revealed so far, I'm sure Mueller is sitting on a veritable treasure chest of information.. One of the witnesses (disciple of Roger Stone) said after his interview with the Mueller team (without revealing what questions he'd been asked or answered) 'They know everything'.

In that case then, we'll dismiss every criminal investigation the defendant feels shouldn't be taking place.. Is that how you want it to be? Because Trump says he's innocent he must be right? Funny, so did Bill Cosby, he still does, but was convicted yesterday.

That isn't how the law works. Nor should it.

He was appointed into looking at Russian collusion on the election. The Justice department has given him a little leeway. Mueller's been trying to broaden the scope and he has useful enablers like you who support him.  What is funny is that it is far more likely that Hillary would collude with the Russians. Mueller is not even bothering to investigate her.  Mueller is trying to entrap Trump.  It is plainly obvious this is a witchhunt.  I await the treasure chest of charges.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Gd5150 on April 27, 2018, 10:11:54 AM
Funny watching someone try to use their connections and position to intimidate and get special treatment. She been watching too much Hilary. She would’ve had much better luck if James Comey pulled her over.


Do you think she asks for two scoops of ice cream too?  :-\

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: 21st Century Man on April 27, 2018, 10:24:12 AM
He was appointed into looking at Russian collusion on the election. The Justice department has given him a little leeway. Mueller's been trying to broaden the scope and he has useful enablers like you who support him.  What is funny is that it is far more likely that Hillary would collude with the Russians.  Mueller is trying to entrap Trump.  It is plainly obvious.  I await the treasure chest of charges.

Again...So EVERYONE is sure..

(©ffice of tqe g}cput- J\tiortte}:J ®eneral
.l!lu.sl1ington, /.<!!. 20530
ORDER NO. 3915-2017
APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL
TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE
2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS
By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C.
§§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and
management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the
Russian govemmenfs efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, I hereby order as
follows:
(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States
Department of Justice.
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confined by then-FBI
Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is
authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
(d) Sections 600.4 through 600. l 0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are
applicable to the Special Counsel.

As for charges; Where have you been? This is up to March the 1st, they'll be more to come. Manafort has also had more put on since this was compiled.

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The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.

3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, false statements, and failure to disclose foreign assets â€" all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But he has now agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on April 27, 2018, 10:26:14 AM
Again...So EVERYONE is sure..

(©ffice of tqe g}cput- J\tiortte}:J ®eneral
.l!lu.sl1ington, /.<!!. 20530
ORDER NO. 3915-2017
APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL
TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE
2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS
By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C.
§§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and
management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the
Russian govemmenfs efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, I hereby order as
follows:
(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States
Department of Justice.
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confined by then-FBI
Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is
authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
(d) Sections 600.4 through 600. l 0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are
applicable to the Special Counsel.

My emphasis and what about Hillary?

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on April 27, 2018, 10:17:44 AM
Too many to list..How about saying that all the women who accused him (including those who were girls at the time) of sexual assault, had all conspired and were 'horrible horrible people' and liars.. At least one has now sued him for defamation of character.

How about him suggesting a judge from (I think) Indiana was biased because his ancestory was Mexican. (He was born in the USA), incidentally, Trump's mother was Scottish.

And who can forget his mocking of a disabled journalist. Or suggesting a female anchor on one of the campaign debates was 'bleeding from her whatever'..

More recently is his denial and now admission that Cohen was working for him over the pay off to a porn star..Which is it? Both answers can't be right, and yesterday, the 30 odd minutes with Fox and FRiends was a dream come true for the prosecutors in NY and Stormy Daniels' lawyer, because it completely undid the case that Cohen was trying to make to avoid having to submit information. The presenters were visibly cringing as they heard the train wreck on the phone rant..It ended because the Producers were screaming at the presenters to cut the piece before he said any more, five minutes later they manged it, but the damage had already been done. You need to watch it.. Yesterday's Fox and Friends..Watch their faces rather than listen to him.. It's toe curling.

Trump insisted all the things the Dems had supposedly done was wrong; and he would ensure it would never happen again..Well it is, and unless you're terminally myopic, it's obvious.

Those are your top 5?  They don't add up to a hill of beans.

Sexual assault?  Let's wait for the trial on some of those before we convict him.  To me he sounds like a typical lout, not a sex offender, like, say, Bill Clinton or the Kennedy clan

I don't recall the details surrounding the judge, but I do recall at the time he shouldn't have been presiding over the case and what Trump said was not without merit

The rest is stuff we expect from the guy.  He's not a polished politician who has spent a lifetime making slick comments, he's a jerk.  But so what. 


None of this rises to the level of Vile.  You want vile - listen to some of what the Acorn  Solidarity  Black Bloc  Occupy Wall St  BLM  Antifa says and does, what their defenders say and do.  If you want vile, review Obama's racial divisiveness.  You want vile, look at how the media deals with Trump.  Look at the Muller shit show.  Look at the various folks trying to undermine the Constitution and thwart Trump in carrying out the will of the people.

I would reserve terms like vile for those who always manage to turn anything and everything into some reason to claim this is a terrible racist country, and anyone not agreeing with them is a terrible racist person.  Those are the folks who should be singled out as vile.


ItsOver

Quote from: Gd5150 on April 27, 2018, 10:11:54 AM
Funny watching someone try to use their connections and position to intimidate and get special treatment. She been watching too much Hilary. She would’ve had much better luck if James Comey pulled her over.
Ha!


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: 21st Century Man on April 27, 2018, 10:28:52 AM
My emphasis

Yes, and? It isn't the entire picture. You think if someone is suspected of money laundering or bank robbery, the police don't take their life apart and look into every aspect of his or her life? Seriously? They just stop at the crime they're suspected of?  ;D

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on April 27, 2018, 10:30:00 AM
Those are your top 5?  They don't add up to a hill of beans.

Sexual assault?  Let's wait for the trial on some of those before we convict him.  To me he sounds like a typical lout, not a sex offender, like, say, Bill Clinton or the Kennedy clan

I don't recall the details surrounding the judge, but I do recall at the time he shouldn't have been presiding over the case and what Trump said was not without merit

The rest is stuff we expect from the guy.  He's not a polished politician who has spent a lifetime making slick comments, he's a jerk.  But so what. 


None of this rises to the level of Vile.  You want vile - listen to some of what the Acorn  Solidarity  Black Bloc  Occupy Wall St  BLM  Antifa says and does, what their defenders say and do.  If you want vile, review Obama's race divisiveness.  You want vile, look at how the media deals with Trump.  Look at the Muller show.  Look at the various folks trying to undermine the Constitution and thwart Trump in carrying out the will of the people.

Amen!


It is nice to have Pud back.  This thread had been dying a slow death.  I guess we should thank Art Bell too!

ItsOver

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on April 27, 2018, 10:30:00 AM
Those are your top 5?  They don't add up to a hill of beans.

Sexual assault?  Let's wait for the trial on some of those before we convict him.  To me he sounds like a typical lout, not a sex offender, like, say, Bill Clinton or the Kennedy clan

I don't recall the details surrounding the judge, but I do recall at the time he shouldn't have been presiding over the case and what Trump said was not without merit

The rest is stuff we expect from the guy.  He's not a polished politician who has spent a lifetime making slick comments, he's a jerk.  But so what. 


None of this rises to the level of Vile.  You want vile - listen to some of what the Acorn  Solidarity  Black Bloc  Occupy Wall St  BLM  Antifa says and does, what their defenders say and do.  If you want vile, review Obama's race divisiveness.  You want vile, look at how the media deals with Trump.  Look at the Muller show.  Look at the various folks trying to undermine the Constitution and thwart Trump in carrying out the will of the people.
Slick politician or jerk.  Slick politician or jerk.  Hmmm...


ItsOver

Quote from: 21st Century Man on April 27, 2018, 10:32:43 AM
Amen!


It is nice to have Pud back.  This thread had been dying a slow death.  I guess we should thank Art Bell too!
And Ms. Laura for the hall pass.


Quote from: Yorkshire pud on April 27, 2018, 10:21:37 AM

Yes they did, and no he isn't.


Again the exact wording of his task is as follows:



(©ffice of tqe g}cput- J\tiortte}:J ®eneral
.l!lu.sl1ington, /.<!!. 20530
ORDER NO. 3915-2017
APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL
TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE
2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS
By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C.
§§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and
management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the
Russian govemmenfs efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, I hereby order as
follows:
(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States
Department of Justice.
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI
Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is
authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
(d) Sections 600.4 through 600. l 0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are
applicable to the Special Counsel.


His job is to look into Russian interference in our election.  If he needs to broaden his scope to do so, he was granted that.  That's what an honest reading of that would tell a reasonable person.

No where in there does it say abandon that if it turns out Trump was not involved, and start looking into the other aspects of Trump and his associates.  No where in there does it say investigate the Trump team, but steer clear of Hilary Clinton and the Obama Administration.  What he has done is take the authorization to follow leads that relate to the job he was appointed to and use that as an excuse to change his mission into a Trump witch hunt. 

Sessions ought to step in and tell him that he (Sessions) did not recuse himself in these other areas and he (Muller) has no authority to be involved.  And to either do the job he was appointed to do or resign.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on April 27, 2018, 10:30:00 AM
Those are your top 5?  They don't add up to a hill of beans.

I didn't say they were the top 5..And if you think he's alright, then you can deal with it..

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Sexual assault?  Let's wait for the trial on some of those before we convict him.  To me he sounds like a typical lout, not a sex offender, like, say, Bill Clinton or the Kennedy clan


Whatabout.... You think Trump wandered into a girls dressing room; again, quote:  "I own it so can go where I like" You're okay with that? Or admitting to helping himself to women's genitals. That is sexual assault, try it, see what happens.

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I don't recall the details surrounding the judge, but I do recall at the time he shouldn't have been presiding over the case and what Trump said was not without merit

He shouldn't have been presiding, because? You don't like him? Trump didn't like him? He wasn't right wing enough? His parents were Mexican?
As for merit!! Please, next to nothing Trump says has merit. He's a walking fucking fog horn that arbitarilly says whatever hits his brain in that instant, then contradicts himself the next second.

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The rest is stuff we expect from the guy.  He's not a polished politician who has spent a lifetime making slick comments, he's a jerk.  But so what. 


You expect that from the POTUS? Then America is fucked. No-one on the world stage takes him seriously, they're terrified he'll say or do something that will start off a conflict though, in a tweet.

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None of this rises to the level of Vile.  You want vile - listen to some of what the Acorn  Solidarity  Black Bloc  Occupy Wall St  BLM  Antifa says and does, what their defenders say and do.  If you want vile, review Obama's race divisiveness.  You want vile, look at how the media deals with Trump.  Look at the Muller show.  Look at the various folks trying to undermine the Constitution and thwart Trump in carrying out the will of the people.

Oh please!~! Undermine the Constitution? Trump doesn't know what the fucking thing is. And keeping defaulting to Obama and Clinton etc doesn't make Trump worthy.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on April 27, 2018, 10:42:34 AM
I didn't say they were the top 5..And if you think he's alright, then you can deal with it..


Whatabout.... You think Trump wandered into a girls dressing room; again, quote:  "I own it so can go where I like" You're okay with that? Or admitting to helping himself to women's genitals. That is sexual assault, try it, see what happens.

He shouldn't have been presiding, because? You don't like him? Trump didn't like him? He wasn't right wing enough? His parents were Mexican?
As for merit!! Please, next to nothing Trump says has merit. He's a walking fucking fog horn that arbitarilly says whatever hits his brain in that instant, then contradicts himself the next second.


You expect that from the POTUS? Then America is fucked. No-one on the world stage takes him seriously, they're terrified he'll say or do something that will start off a conflict though, in a tweet.

Oh please!~! Undermine the Constitution? Trump doesn't know what the fucking thing is. And keeping defaulting to Obama and Clinton etc doesn't make Trump worthy.


What a simplistic conclusion!  Trump is vile so everything he does is vile too.  WRONG!  Try harder! 

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on April 27, 2018, 10:41:03 AM

His job is to look into Russian interference in our election.  If he needs to broaden his scope to do so, he was granted that.  That's what an honest reading of that would tell a reasonable person.

No where in there does it say abandon that if it turns out Trump was not involved, and start looking into the other aspects of Trump and his associates.  No where in there does it say investigate the Trump team, but steer clear of Hilary Clinton and the Obama Administration.  What he has done is take the authorization to follow leads that relate to the job he was appointed to and use that as an excuse to change his mission into a Trump witch hunt. 

Sessions ought to step in and tell him that he (Sessions) did not recuse himself in these other areas and he (Muller) has no authority to be involved.  And to either do the job he was appointed to do or resign.


I can't help you then. One last attempt then I'm done:

APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL
TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE
2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS

Nowhere does it specifically mention Trump, Clinton, Obama, Donald Duck, Lindsay Lohan, or Madonna . Nowhere. Everything then is presumably fair game.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on April 27, 2018, 10:42:34 AM

No-one on the world stage takes him seriously, they're terrified he'll say or do something that will start off a conflict though, in a tweet.


He's got the Fat Boy from North Korea to come to the peace table.  Too bad nobody had the balls to be hard-line against NK before.  This conflict could have been over years ago.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: 21st Century Man on April 27, 2018, 10:45:42 AM

What a simplistic conclusion!  Trump is vile so everything he does is vile too.  WRONG!  Try harder!

Trump isn't complex. Therefore he isn't worthy of a complicated assessment. He's binary.. Yes/no. That's how he thinks, he probably doesn't even know how to pronounce nuance or understand what forward thinking means.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: 21st Century Man on April 27, 2018, 10:49:03 AM
He's got the Fat Boy from North Korea to come to the peace table.  Too bad nobody had the balls to be hard-line against NK before.  This conflict could have been over years ago.


He won't go to NK. It's the SKs that are moving this forward, and I suspect too China has leant heavily on the fat kid.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on April 27, 2018, 10:42:34 AM
... You expect that from the POTUS? Then America is fucked. No-one on the world stage takes him seriously, they're terrified he'll say or do something that will start off a conflict though, in a tweet.

Oh please!~! Undermine the Constitution? Trump doesn't know what the fucking thing is. And keeping defaulting to Obama and Clinton etc doesn't make Trump worthy.

I would like the president to be more presidential, sure.  But after 24* years of ineffectiveness, 24 years of not addressing the problems in this country, 24 years of regression, failure, and worse, I'm willing to take someone who is at least trying to implement the agenda the American people want.


* 8 years each of Clinton, Bush, and Obama.  Three absolutely terrible presidents, over whom Donald Trump - of all people - in a vast improvement.  That Trump is an improvement and effective is proven by his Left wing detractors and their level of hate for him.



As far as ''no one taking him seriously, and being terrified he'll say or do something that will start off a conflict'', gee, who does that remind me of.  Oh, right, Ronald Reagan, who for eight years gave us the best foreign policy in the post war era to date, and directly brought about the demise of the Soviet empire without a war.

Trump has all but wiped out ISIS.  He has China offering concessions.  He's put an end to Obama's sickening weakness and failure in the world.  You want a person no one took seriously on the world stage, look no further than Obama and his entire foreign policy team -certainly including his Secretaries of State Hilary Clinton and John Kerry.  Absolute failure.

Let's see how things go with North Korea before we decide no one is taking him seriously

ShayP

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on April 27, 2018, 10:05:13 AM
He's said it to the FBI in tweets and on TV.. The FBI as far as I know are a branch of the police, no?

FBI = Federal law enforcement.  We're talking about regular police officers on the street who cited the driver for violations that warranted the vehicle impounded.   That woman had no right to know what the charges were as they weren't levied to her daughter and the driver was an adult.  There was no reason for her behavior. Her daughter was not being charged. Trump's behavior, albeit crude at times, has no correlation to this particular matter anyway.

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