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Started by FightTheFuture, August 11, 2014, 09:40:15 AM

Jackstar

Quote from: SredniVashtar on May 18, 2019, 03:08:07 PM
Some further reading on the 'inconvenience ' of pregnancy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_death



Some further reading on the 'inconvenience' of travel.


https://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/road_safety_status/2015/en/


QuoteThe Global status report on road safety 2015, reflecting information from 180 countries, indicates that worldwide the total number of road traffic deaths has plateaued at 1.25 million per year

Naturally, 14 will agree with me: it's long past time to ban both cars and fucking.

Jackstar

Quote from: SredniVashtar on May 18, 2019, 02:57:41 PM
illegals mean crime, and you all agree with him

https://www.thestreet.com/story/10376739/1/unlawful-vs-illegal.html

Quote from: SredniVashtar on May 18, 2019, 02:57:41 PM
illegals mean crime, and you all agree with him

Most people agree that "crime" is "illegal," yeah.



Quote from: SredniVashtar on May 18, 2019, 02:57:41 PM
people simply looking for a better life

Can this argument be used when your car is stolen? Asking for a friend. Thanks in advance.

SredniVashtar

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on May 18, 2019, 03:11:35 PM
Enough said.  I'm content to leave it right here for future reference. 

P.S. You are woefully uninformed.  Trump has taken pains to make the distinction on multiple occasions.  He even offered Dems an immigration package that would grant citizenship to 11 million "dreamers" much to the consternation of many in his base.  But you continue to base your comments on what you hear on CNN and MSNBC or whatever the Brit equivalents are.

That was only offered as blackmail to try and get his wall , don't pretend that he had noble motives.

Jackstar

Quote from: SredniVashtar on May 18, 2019, 01:24:57 PM
you're forcing a women to go through a pregnancy

First, I'd force them to go through grammar school.

SredniVashtar

Quote from: Jackstar on May 18, 2019, 03:23:22 PM
First, I'd force them to go through grammar school.

Oh, it caught me in a typo. Hooray, break out the Crisco and frot yourself into a frenzy, you diseased fucknut. I'd like to saw your head off and have intimate relations with the stump.

Jackstar

Quote from: SredniVashtar on May 18, 2019, 03:28:54 PM
Oh, it caught me in a typo.

Apparently reading what you just wrote before spastically (sic) hammering the "Post" button is just too much trouble for your intellect.


Kidnostad3

Quote from: SredniVashtar on May 18, 2019, 03:28:54 PM
Oh, it caught me in a typo. Hooray, break out the Crisco and frot yourself into a frenzy, you diseased fucknut. I'd like to saw your head off and have intimate relations with the stump.

So, you're a Muslim after all. 

albrecht

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on May 18, 2019, 04:49:38 PM
So, you're a Muslim after all.

Apparently the UK, at least in part, have adopted the "Continental Model" and need to be tolerant and accepting of terrorism on their streets, lest they offend Muslim and foreign sensibilities. Rape gangs, ignored for years. People getting acid thrown on them. Honor killings. Arranged marriages. Heck they had a soldier BEHEADED in broad day light on a city street. But, as the Muslim mayor of London infamously said, "moderate Muslims are Uncle Toms." 

"Jean-Charles Brisard, the director of the French Center for the Analysis of Terrorism. “For us, this is the new normal, and something that will be with us for years to come.”

I say "screw that" we've already given up too many civil rights to accommodate invaders, or conversely, as an excuse to be protected by them.  Identify the enemy, external and more importantly internal, and deal with them.  And before foreign wars, government give-aways and aid, and protecting/building their borders, as we have for decades, defend OUR border. Any politician who says different is highly suspect. Sure we have "interests" in other parts of the world but get back to basics. Defend US first.  Citizens before illegals. Immigration, legal, based on national and cultural interests first. Illegal immigration? No, treat them as foreign invaders as unlawful combatants.

albrecht

The usual: 

Illegal rapes an 11 year old girl and impregnates her  

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/nation-world/man-got-11-year-old-girl-pregnant-according-to-police/67-77d05fa7-939e-4186-b7e9-d6d8853d8c7b 


Sanctuary city let an illegal go and so he murdered a 14 year old girl. He was an MS-13 member but the Democratically controlled sanctuary city refused to comply with ICE and let him go on to murder. 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/may/22/joel-ernesto-escobar-illegal-immigrant-murder-susp/ 

The latest Muslim practicing his peace in Lyon, France was also an illegal 
https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/32470-lyon-terror-suspect-an-illegal-algerian 

Sex cult used an illegal in addition to the other sordid practices  

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-20190528-pjhequqt4bf7pmucsw2obohqlu-story.html   

Illegal raped a 12 year old in the bathroom 

https://www.wjtv.com/news/local-news/twelve-year-old-sexually-battered-ridgeland-man-sentenced-to-twenty/2016592752 

Interesting. I wonder why he doesn't advocate open borders, no walls, and unrestricted, unvetted immigration for Israel also?  

https://www.jta.org/2019/05/29/united-states/meet-the-jewish-lawyer-representing-clients-at-the-countrys-strictest-immigration-court





Yorkshire pud

Quote from: albrecht on May 29, 2019, 03:32:34 PM
The usual: 

Illegal rapes an 11 year old girl and impregnates her  



Next you'll be saying it's a bad thing and the girl will be traumatised for life...Get with the program will you? :-\


albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 02, 2019, 08:01:14 PM
Next you'll be saying it's a bad thing and the girl will be traumatised for life...Get with the program will you? :-\
Which one of them was an illegal? Unlike the UK, the country from which you fled moved- where also Asian "grooming" and child rape gangs are tolerated and accepted for years due to "cultural differences"- we have freedom of speech: even to say dumb things. And when you say something like that you usually aren't elected or get socially sanctioned- not imprisoned, beheaded, stoned to death or necklaced, as done in other countries. Many of whom send their worst here illegally.

What does a citizen saying something stupid or awful- or even "hateful" or "offensive" equate with wanting illegal aliens to rape children? Or allowing illegal aliens to drive drunk and kill people? Or an illegals to do their serial killings or beheading here? Sure, some countries might tolerate things like a soldier being beheaded in broad daylight on a city street, or some "Asian" gang throwing acid in girls' faces, or sex trafficking due to "cultural reasons" -  but I don't want that here.

We admittedly have enough nutjobs, crazies, poor, uneducated, and already present illegals, and undesirable legal immigrants, that we don't need to import MORE.  The citizens, veterans, and, yes, even LEGAL immigrants from desirable areas deserve help before the illegals yet the border continues to be thrown open and "refugee" program abused.  Take care of American children before we take of some illegal's anchor baby or brood. But Democrats and some Republicans, due to various reasons, seem to support this. Wonder why? Certainly not votes? Certainly not to overwhelm the systems to try to force more socialist and centralist government? Certainly not to get cheap labor? Certainly not to get counted on the census for apportionment? 
 

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It is not just mild-mannered English pensioners who like to play with trains. Illegals LOVE them also! 
http://www.hastingstribune.com/despite-perils-more-u-s--bound-migrants-are-turning/article_fa8bbb08-4321-5f01-add7-1579ea41bab1.html 

The usual:

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article231049638.html  (Illegals seem to LOVE to drive drunk!) 

https://www.wbtv.com/2019/06/03/illegal-immigrant-found-possession-k-worth-cocaine-iredell-county-traffic-stop/ 

https://www.mwakilishi.com/article/diaspora-news/2018-06-20/kenya-native-billy-chemirmir-indicted-on-capital-murder  (Kenya is proud to call "Billy," the illegal who enjoyed killing old white ladies a part of their diaspora! The comments get into divisive Kenyan politics, apparently.) 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/30/judge-shelley-joseph-wants-pay-indicted-helping-undocumented-immigrant-evade-ice/1290020001/ 

ICE should arrest this guy, seize his assets, and summarily deport him. I know Obama never met an illegal he never liked (while, in secret, deporting many and separating families- if they were Hispanic illegals) but he let this illegal go and now he has become a cause celebre' for leftists. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/an-american-life-hes-38-an-undocumented-immigrant-and-a-school-is-being-name-for-him/2019/05/31/edd9c02a-823a-11e9-95a9-e2c830afe24f_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d68392932a6b 

Sounds like a guy we really want to have in our country, or so say many Democrats apparently: 

https://www.masslive.com/police-fire/2019/05/undocumented-guatemalan-tied-to-mass-sexual-assaults-in-1980s-found-hiding-in-massachusetts.html

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/guatemalan-human-rights-violator-apprehended-ice-hsi-ero-boston-facing-federal-charges 
















pyewacket

Hey albrecht, thank you for all those links. Keep 'em coming.

Here's a little ditty from Nancy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCTIn7JTkek


albrecht

Quote from: pyewacket on June 03, 2019, 07:28:51 PM
Hey albrecht, thank you for all those links. Keep 'em coming.

Here's a little ditty from Nancy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCTIn7JTkek
Ha. But it is not funny. Now we already know about all the diseases associated with illegals, the open border, and even the legal immigration policy but, for the most part, if one is healthy, doesn't contact them, has been vaccinated (or otherwise immunized,) many of the diseases they bring are, relatively, innocuous- unless you are young, old, or have a compromised immune system. Though many like resistant TB or those diseases Americans haven't seen for decades (Polio and "polio-like," etc) are bad but there also is a potential for Ebola even with a wide-open border, a suicidal immigration/refugee policy, and ease of movement- particularly as Europe is also being invaded and lots of business and travel between US and Europe, especially over the summer holidays and school breaks. 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsr1904253 

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/border-patrol-agents-apprehend-large-group-del-rio 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/hundreds-of-africans-tried-to-reach-the-united-states-now-theyre-stuck-in-mexico/2019/04/16/6ebb7b48-5fa4-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html 

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-16/african-migrants-texas-border-monitored-ebola-official 

https://www.gosanangelo.com/story/news/crime/2019/05/28/15-congo-nationals-apprehended-texas-mexico-border/1263888001/ 


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/opinion/letters/ebola-violence-congo.html 

Really this should be posted in the Ebola thread but since the "migrants" are coming here and to Europe, often illegally, it also is ok here. 

ps: the people the Democrats want in our country even frigging attack, kill, and steal medical supplies from people, doctors, and organizations trying to help them fight Ebola! 

https://www.france24.com/en/20190527-villagers-kill-ebola-health-worker-eastern-dr-congo 

https://www.unionleader.com/news/health/doctors-go-undercover-to-fight-ebola-in-violent-eastern-congo/article_b4e643ec-d165-5eea-9bac-4f070e4cb5e8.html 







albrecht

Quote from: pyewacket on June 02, 2019, 06:45:02 PM
Central American Migrant Remittances Breaking Records, Beats Foreign Investment

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2019/05/31/central-american-migrant-remittances-breaking-records-beats-foreign-investment/#7cc604892a7f
I know the current theory popular in DC circles is that illegal immigration and remittances help prop up the failed States in the region and if either really curtailed would doom them and we would even have more illegal immigration and violence but, maybe not? Maybe it would force those people to reform their countries? Fight against the corrupt politicians and the cartels? Who knows maybe worth a shot assuming we actually controlled our border and reformed our "refugee" policies first.  In any event we should, at least, slap a fee on remittances so that even the average illegal sending back his wages would have to pay a fee to the government to fund border security. It could be a progressive system whereby governments, agencies, churches, charities, businesses, and banks who wire money to those countries pay on a sliding scale based on annual pre-tax revenue. 

Meanwhile the Usual:  (And some more proof that Democrats actually want criminal or diseased aliens illegally, and legally also, in the country.) 


http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/rapes-in-san-jose-tripled-in-ten-years-lawmakers-want-answers/ 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/4/dems-move-cut-border-patrol-ice-2020-spending-bill/ 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2019/06/04/border-patrol-just-detained-more-than-100-illegal-aliens-from-africa-n2547388 

https://koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/2019/05/29/new-colorado-law-wont-allow-holding-inmates-at-request-of-immigration-authorities/ 

https://fox6now.com/2019/06/04/detainee-at-kenosha-county-detention-center-diagnosed-with-mumps/ 

https://www.westword.com/news/quarantines-back-at-aurora-geo-group-immigration-detention-facility-11365795 

https://www.kvia.com/crime/ice-father-charged-with-capital-murder-for-infant-daughter-s-death-in-us-illegally/1077039128  (this illegal killed his own daughter. Nice people these illegals the Democrats protect. I guess they consider the illegal's action just a 'post-birth abortion?' 

https://www.abc15.com/news/crime/scottsdale-police-crew-of-chilean-commercial-jewel-burglars-caught-in-peoria 

https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Dad-stepmom-charged-with-murder-in-Indiana-in-death-of-boy-reportedly-shackled-in-bathtub-and-starved-510704381.html  (just another post-birth abortion by an illegal, nothing to see here many Democrats might say.)

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/06/01/dad-stepmom-charged-with-murder-death-boy-reportedly-shackled-starved-bathtub/ 

https://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/public-safety/coralville-woman-accused-of-attacking-man-with-butcher-knife-20190603 


Update on the all too frequent story of an illegal killing a young woman: 

https://www.kcci.com/article/court-documents-blood-found-in-suspects-trunk-belonged-to-mollie-tibbetts/27683039 






Jackstar

Interesting reporting here: https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Officer-Involved-Shooting-at-the-Border-510793801.html

QuoteA 23-year-old American man died Monday following a shootout with U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers at the San Ysidro Port of Entry, the San Diego Police Department confirmed.

Shots were fired after the man, driving northbound, failed to stop for an inspection at the border crossing located south of San Diego, CBP confirmed."


Note that Guatemala, Honduras, and Argentina are all in "America."


albrecht

Quote from: albrecht on June 04, 2019, 05:51:41 PM
Yes. The other tactic used by the news media when, basically, forced to report on a crime committed by an illegal is to use the nebulous term "resident."
The usual:

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/guatemalan-illegal-alien-residing-iowa-sentenced-benefit-fraud 

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/06/234524/carlos-rivera-chloe-ricard-aggravated-rape-child-cocaine-assault 

https://www.masslive.com/boston/2019/06/carlos-rivera-charged-with-giving-cocaine-to-13-year-old-chloe-ricard-faces-new-charge-of-aggravated-rape-of-a-child-remains-held-without-bail.html

https://bismarcktribune.com/opinion/letters/why-dems-balk-at-migration-controls/article_c5124f1f-db0e-53a7-89eb-26f84d349782.html 

http://dennismichaellynch.com/report-illegals-get-minimum-sentences-for-killing-couple-raping-12-year-old/
Request for enforcing the law gets teacher fired. For some reason she didn't understand that the public school districts LOVE illegals because their primary motivation is not teaching children but filling seats- so to get State and Federal funding. And the poorer the better because they you get grants, funding, etc for free meals, extra hours, summer programs, remedial education, special education, etc. Money trumps free speech or advocating enforcing laws. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fort-worth-school-board-terminates-teacher-georgia-clark-twitter-rant-to-trump-about-illegal-immigrant-students/ 

The usual:   
https://www.wbtv.com/2019/06/04/doj-two-honduras-natives-arrested-charlotte-charged-with-illegal-reentry/ 

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-mambasse-patara-human-smuggling-lapd-20190604-story.html 

https://www.ktre.com/2019/06/04/guatemalan-national-arrested-corrigan-traffic-stop-pleads-guilty-immigration-violations/ 

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article230803469.html 

https://www.wbtv.com/2019/06/04/us-attorney-critical-mecklenburg-co-sheriff-over-ice-policies-files-federal-charges-against-man-may-swat-standoff/ 

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article231049638.html 


This illegal will never walk alone.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7107821/Shocked-Liverpool-fans-drag-migrant-coach-Calais-Champions-League.html 





albrecht

Quote from: albrecht on June 05, 2019, 10:00:45 AM
Request for enforcing the law gets teacher fired. For some reason she didn't understand that the public school districts LOVE illegals because their primary motivation is not teaching children but filling seats- so to get State and Federal funding. And the poorer the better because they you get grants, funding, etc for free meals, extra hours, summer programs, remedial education, special education, etc. Money trumps free speech or advocating enforcing laws. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fort-worth-school-board-terminates-teacher-georgia-clark-twitter-rant-to-trump-about-illegal-immigrant-students/ 

The usual:   
https://www.wbtv.com/2019/06/04/doj-two-honduras-natives-arrested-charlotte-charged-with-illegal-reentry/ 

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-mambasse-patara-human-smuggling-lapd-20190604-story.html 

https://www.ktre.com/2019/06/04/guatemalan-national-arrested-corrigan-traffic-stop-pleads-guilty-immigration-violations/ 

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article230803469.html 

https://www.wbtv.com/2019/06/04/us-attorney-critical-mecklenburg-co-sheriff-over-ice-policies-files-federal-charges-against-man-may-swat-standoff/ 

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article231049638.html 


This illegal will never walk alone.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7107821/Shocked-Liverpool-fans-drag-migrant-coach-Calais-Champions-League.html
More OTMs and as usual lots of Africans: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x0Ic40Stwk&feature=youtu.be 

And people fleeing Socialist countries. So they can vote for Socialist Democrat candidates here, or so the DNC presumes:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/venezuela-now-a-top-source-of-us-asylum-claims-poses-a-challenge-for-trump/ar-AACsEQa 


As usual illegals have more rights than US citizens or legal foreign travelers. TSA allows them to fly without ID.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/tsa-allowing-illegal-migrants-to-fly-without-proper-documents 

More usual news: 

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20190605/workers-comp-budget-may-exclude-immigrants-making-injury-claims  (Abagados must be pissed at this!)
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/5/immigrant-smuggler-killed-after-crashing-border-cr/ 

https://www.apnews.com/9ae707028f6f493894750e03c7001763  (Illegals love to stab and not show up to hearings, even in sanctuary cities and states!) 

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Trump-administration-cancels-English-classes-13938740.php  (Slightly good news) 












albrecht

Quote from: albrecht on June 06, 2019, 10:08:29 AM
More OTMs and as usual lots of Africans: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x0Ic40Stwk&feature=youtu.be 

And people fleeing Socialist countries. So they can vote for Socialist Democrat candidates here, or so the DNC presumes:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/venezuela-now-a-top-source-of-us-asylum-claims-poses-a-challenge-for-trump/ar-AACsEQa 


As usual illegals have more rights than US citizens or legal foreign travelers. TSA allows them to fly without ID.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/tsa-allowing-illegal-migrants-to-fly-without-proper-documents 

More usual news: 

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20190605/workers-comp-budget-may-exclude-immigrants-making-injury-claims  (Abagados must be pissed at this!)
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/5/immigrant-smuggler-killed-after-crashing-border-cr/ 

https://www.apnews.com/9ae707028f6f493894750e03c7001763  (Illegals love to stab and not show up to hearings, even in sanctuary cities and states!) 

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Trump-administration-cancels-English-classes-13938740.php  (Slightly good news)
Legal citizen of Chinese background causing controversy! Charlie Chan would approve, "a credit to his race."
https://www.ajc.com/news/local-education/georgia-professor-immigration-comments-cause-stir-social-media/17i7NphdnCroxthP0Sz5hJ/   



Deport him. Now!  All of these activist illegals/invaders should have their assets seized and be summarily deported. 

https://www.masslive.com/politics/2019/06/massachusetts-activist-heiner-perez-nolasco-released-from-immigrant-detention-fighting-deportation.html   

The usual:

Well, not usual, because he was caught and so many more just waltz across the open border and aren't caught but, since illegal, are desired by Democrats, and some Republicans to be in the country. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/illegal-immigrant-wanted-for-child-sex-crimes-arrested-in-detroit/ar-AACxafg

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: albrecht on June 08, 2019, 04:38:59 PM
Legal citizen of Chinese background causing controversy! Charlie Chan would approve, "a credit to his race."
https://www.ajc.com/news/local-education/georgia-professor-immigration-comments-cause-stir-social-media/17i7NphdnCroxthP0Sz5hJ/   



Deport him. Now!  All of these activist illegals/invaders should have their assets seized and be summarily deported. 

https://www.masslive.com/politics/2019/06/massachusetts-activist-heiner-perez-nolasco-released-from-immigrant-detention-fighting-deportation.html   

The usual:

Well, not usual, because he was caught and so many more just waltz across the open border and aren't caught but, since illegal, are desired by Democrats, and some Republicans to be in the country. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/illegal-immigrant-wanted-for-child-sex-crimes-arrested-in-detroit/ar-AACxafg


Wow, you have got your knickers in a wad haven't you?

albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 08, 2019, 04:48:38 PM

Wow, you have got your knickers in a wad haven't you?
I guess. Some people care about their country and families.

Bringing in more folks from ROC and Angola. Can't speak English. From war torn, diseased countries. No appreciation of modernity or our culture. No, or limited, skills, wealth, or education. Great news!

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/parle-vous-francais-city-searches-for-french-speakers-as-hundreds-of-congolese-asylum-seekers-head-to-sa/273-0c015995-05b2-4a0e-959b-fdc1d2991d6f  (note, why no demand for Portuguese speakers since Angola? Or native speakers assuming some might also speak some African dialects or pidgin?) 

https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/drc/2018-august.html 


Nice people- even the ladies! Let's let them in! 
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/06/cdn-isabel-trevino-founder-of.htmlAnd

people think ISIS and the Muslims are bad but across our open border far more depravity and violence but "who cares?" Let them in! Say Democrats, and some Republicans.

But why not let some ISIS folks back in also? 

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/06/05/syrian-kurds-send-8-american-women-children-captured-with-isis-back-to-the-us/ 


 
Trump, as I've mentioned, weak on immigration, legal and illegal. But, maybe, better than others. Certainly better than Hillary but still weak. 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/08/politics/nyt-trump-mexico-agreed-deal-months-ago/index.html  (warning when CNN says Trump tactics worked.) 

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/06/mexico-and-us-reach-immigration.html





albrecht

Quote from: albrecht on June 08, 2019, 05:21:42 PM
I guess. Some people care about their country and families.

Bringing in more folks from ROC and Angola. Can't speak English. From war torn, diseased countries. No appreciation of modernity or our culture. No, or limited, skills, wealth, or education. Great news!

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/parle-vous-francais-city-searches-for-french-speakers-as-hundreds-of-congolese-asylum-seekers-head-to-sa/273-0c015995-05b2-4a0e-959b-fdc1d2991d6f  (note, why no demand for Portuguese speakers since Angola? Or native speakers assuming some might also speak some African dialects or pidgin?) 

https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/drc/2018-august.html 


Nice people- even the ladies! Let's let them in! 
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/06/cdn-isabel-trevino-founder-of.htmlAnd

people think ISIS and the Muslims are bad but across our open border far more depravity and violence but "who cares?" Let them in! Say Democrats, and some Republicans.

But why not let some ISIS folks back in also? 

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/06/05/syrian-kurds-send-8-american-women-children-captured-with-isis-back-to-the-us/ 


 
Trump, as I've mentioned, weak on immigration, legal and illegal. But, maybe, better than others. Certainly better than Hillary but still weak. 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/08/politics/nyt-trump-mexico-agreed-deal-months-ago/index.html  (warning when CNN says Trump tactics worked.) 

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/06/mexico-and-us-reach-immigration.html
The usual:  

https://www.imperialvalleynews.com/index.php/news/california-news/8-news/18583-identity-document-trafficker-pleaded-guilty-for-conspiring-to-sell-identity-documents-to-illegal-aliens.html 

https://journaltimes.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/second-ice-detainee-in-kenosha-tests-positive-for-mumps/article_636b24b0-00ea-5b3d-ab79-64fc12aaa82b.html 

https://www.pressreleasepoint.com/wanted-illegal-alien-arrested-detroit 

Cui bono?
https://en.mogaznews.com/World-News/1224195/ICE-Air-The-fleet-of-Boeing-737s-owned-by-immigration-officials-they-say-is-.html 
https://www.axios.com/private-prisons-immigrant-detention-8e5b3317-8ecf-476c-b915-25330852e66f.html 



Yorkshire pud

Quote from: albrecht on June 08, 2019, 05:21:42 PM
I guess. Some people care about their country and families.




The guy on the left cares deeply about the latter and of course himself. Not so much about the former.



albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 09, 2019, 03:19:00 PM

The guy on the left cares deeply about the latter and of course himself. Not so much about the former.
For whatever reason we enforce a pretty strict border between DPRK and ROK for decades and under many administrations. We help fund and protect borders, walls, and fences between other countries- yet won't support or defend our own border?

ps: the latest sensational news from a UK tabloid is that Kim built a large piranha tank in which to kill potential political enemies.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: albrecht on June 09, 2019, 03:24:01 PM
For whatever reason we enforce a pretty strict border between DPRK and ROK for decades and under many administrations.

Yeah, it was called the Korean War.



QuoteWe help fund and protect borders, walls, and fences between other countries- yet won't support or defend our own border?

I don't think anyone has said not to defend the border...But the Trump 'idea' of 'Build the wall' (Which incidentally was a aide memoir thought up by Sam Nunberg when he was on the campaign, because he knew 'comprehensive multi faceted border security' was too much for Trump to remember.) has been shot down by anyone who has a clue about the subject. It makes it worse because Trump (Who knows basically fuck all about any given subject) is the 'go to' expert and has no need for anyone who knows more than he does (Which is basically everything). It's called the Dunning-Kruger effect.

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ps: the latest sensational news from a UK tabloid is that Kim built a large piranha tank in which to kill potential political enemies.

Nothing surprises me...And Trump still loves him. After all he's only a despotic murdering cunt who sent an American home in a coma who died later.

albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 09, 2019, 03:35:21 PM
Yeah, it was called the Korean War.




I don't think anyone has said not to defend the border...But the Trump 'idea' of 'Build the wall' (Which incidentally was a aide memoir thought up by Sam Nunberg when he was on the campaign, because he knew 'comprehensive multi faceted border security' was too much for Trump to remember.) has been shot down by anyone who has a clue about the subject. It makes it worse because Trump (Who knows basically fuck all about any given subject) is the 'go to' expert and has no need for anyone who knows more than he does (Which is basically everything). It's called the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Nothing surprises me...And Trump still loves him. After all he's only a despotic murdering cunt who sent an American home in a coma who died later.
A UN Police Action with appropriation passed by Congress but no declaration of war....and even after the fighting we vigorously defend that border. In addition to borders we have supported, funded, or manned over the many decades all around the world but not our own?  We give $$$ to Israel, and other countries, to build walls and borders but won't protect US citizens?  We helped maintain borders in Europe for decades but not here? 

Sanctuary cities? Protests against the census asking citizenship status? Sanctuary States? DREAMER programs? Free healthcare, transportation, education, and housing for illegals? Church groups offering sanctuary? Participation in the suicidal UN "Refugee" program and sending "refugees" to target certain areas and populations? "Humanitarian" groups rescuing invaders in the Mediterranean and bringing them into Europe? Politicians calling for immigration and population replacement in Europe, and here? People giving illegals water and food as they invade? Democrats rallying for abolishing ICE #AbolishICE, "migrants" being given free housing in Europe, even sometimes pushing citizens out?




Yorkshire pud

Quote from: albrecht on June 09, 2019, 03:45:27 PM
A UN Police Action with appropriation passed by Congress but no declaration of war....and even after the fighting we vigorously defend that border. In addition to borders we have supported, funded, or manned over the many decades all around the world but not our own?  We give $$$ to Israel, and other countries, to build walls and borders but won't protect US citizens?  We helped maintain borders in Europe for decades but not here? 

Shit you don't know why America has tried to expand their reach all over the world? It isn't altruism that prompts them to build walls in other countries. It's the same reason China is now building dams and roads in Africa..

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Sanctuary cities? Protests against the census asking citizenship status? Sanctuary States? DREAMER programs? Free healthcare, transportation, education, and housing for illegals? Church groups offering sanctuary? Participation in the suicidal UN "Refugee" program and sending "refugees" to target certain areas and populations? "Humanitarian" groups rescuing invaders in the Mediterranean and bringing them into Europe? Politicians calling for immigration and population replacement in Europe, and here? People giving illegals water and food as they invade? Democrats rallying for abolishing ICE #AbolishICE, "migrants" being given free housing in Europe, even sometimes pushing citizens out?


It would really take too long to parse that word salad. But two I will address...

"Humanitarian" groups rescuing invaders in the Mediterranean and bringing them into Europe?


Caused by the second gulf wars and the encouragement of the so called Arab Springs. When urged on by the west the people rose up and filled the vacuum created but didn't do much else...and what's this? Yes...ISIS also filled that vacuum and terrorised the population who had lived under despots for decades. Naturally the people wanted to escape the new terrorists and went over the sea to mainland Europe.

Are you suggesting that they should just be left to drown? Because that's what being 'free' is all about right? Free to not knowing what the hell they've been through and be callous enough to watch them drown. As long as you can get all self righteous about borders and shit.

People giving illegals water and food as they invade?



Yeah, mothers with toddlers and babies do a lot of invading.. Why not just let them die in the desert right? After all they'll have their kids taken from them and dumped in cages to never see their parents again, and probably be lifetime traumatised because of it.

Shit is that what America has become? A country with a high proportion of callous, cruel, unspeakably brain washed racists?

albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 09, 2019, 04:00:55 PM
Shit you don't know why America has tried to expand their reach all over the world? It isn't altruism that prompts them to build walls in other countries. It's the same reason China is now building dams and roads in Africa..


It would really take too long to parse that word salad. But two I will address...

"Humanitarian" groups rescuing invaders in the Mediterranean and bringing them into Europe?


Caused by the second gulf wars and the encouragement of the so called Arab Springs. When urged on by the west the people rose up and filled the vacuum created but didn't do much else...and what's this? Yes...ISIS also filled that vacuum and terrorised the population who had lived under despots for decades. Naturally the people wanted to escape the new terrorists and went over the sea to mainland Europe.

Are you suggesting that they should just be left to drown? Because that's what being 'free' is all about right? Free to not knowing what the hell they've been through and be callous enough to watch them drown. As long as you can get all self righteous about borders and shit.

People giving illegals water and food as they invade?



Yeah, mothers with toddlers and babies do a lot of invading.. Why not just let them die in the desert right? After all they'll have their kids taken from them and dumped in cages to never see their parents again, and probably be lifetime traumatised because of it.

Shit is that what America has become? A country with a high proportion of callous, cruel, unspeakably brain washed racists?
Why not address the other Democrat talking points, like no borders, abolishing enforcement agencies, offer free stuff, and sanctuary for any illegal, migrant, or "refugee" and only address the two? The tug at the heart strings, "think of the children" type of "argument." Sure it is bad and the parents are highly irresponsible for forcing their children to invade. As are agencies, churches, and group that encourage some dangers for children and women. We shouldn't offer benefits to encourage them to do so. A decent parent wouldn't risk dealing with cartels, coyotes, rape gangs, hot deserts, and dangerous waters for their children, but to try to protect them or migrate legally per the process. Or try to reform their own countries. Certainly wouldn't give them over to coyotes and cartels to transport. They should be charged with child endangerment in addition to the charges related to the illegal crossing.  For humanitarian reasons emergency treatment should be done for an illegal but once out of immediate danger they should be repatriated to country of origin and home country charged for the service (from US AID budgets, humanitarian budgets, or a tax on remittances to said country.)


True Britain, and then the US, did a lot of harm in the Middle East that resulted in destabilization, historically and current.  And elsewhere to some extent. Another reason we should, aside from mutually beneficial trade, stop most foreign wars and meddling. And we should not have taken up the gauntlet, or White Man's burden, from the English and decided to become the new world police and foreign meddler. And we should not allow them into our countries. And some countries never did colonization and yet they have to deal with the invaders? So why should Sweden, or whatever, have to accept violent immigrants and illegals? They never had any major colonies or participate much in the so-called exploitation?  Why should someone whose grandparents had a bad policy be blamed for it now?  I know some consider the various rapes, invasions, and all the crime a quasi-karmic justice for ancient evils like slavery, colonialism, capitalism, mercantilism, etc but is that, really, fair? Especially when slavery exists still in some of the invaders countries?

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