The Results of Nov 6, 2012 as predicted by Carnac Coyle

[Eddie Coyle]

Allan Holdsworth, guitarist.

(Round of applause). Cheese and crackers forthcoming.

[Marc.Knight]

actually, it was obama who instructed his justice department not to pursue marijuana cases.

The outcome of the election tonight gave me the same sick feeling in the center of my stomach that I get when Noory waddles up to the mic. 

[onan]

Maybe it is time for republicans to reevaluate their platform.

[The General]

As long as people can vote themselves more entitlements it doesn't matter.  It will always be a "lesser of two evils" situation.  We're so far up shit creek that there's no map can help us now.

To paraphrase Livy:
America can no longer stand to bear her vices or their remedies.

[Eddie Coyle]

 
            I look at that electoral map and wonder...could we possibly be headed toward a Civil War in the coming 20-30 years?

[onan]

I really don't think the U.S. has visigoths just outside the gates. I do think that the U.S. has some tough choices to make. Some choices are directly involved with sacrifice. I won't debate what sacrifice means. But with all this "I love my country", your country may require that love to be unconditional not fanatical.

[Morgus]

             I look at that electoral map and wonder...could we possibly be headed toward a Civil War in the coming 20-30 years?

thats what time traveler John Titor claimed happened in his future timeline... 

[morphiaflow]

Put this on the George Noory sucks thread, but thought it deserved to be posted here as well...

Heard on the C2C Election episode, mere minutes ago as I post this:

Guest Mish Shedlock (paraphrased): "the Republicans need to realize that Romney and Rush Limbaugh are the past..." (keeps talking with Noory trying to interrupt, finally saying...)
Noory: Hello...! Don't say Rush is the past, he keeps me afloat, for gods' sake!

Probably the truest thing that has ever left Noory's mouth on the show.

[Eddie Coyle]

thats what time traveler John Titor claimed happened in his future timeline... 

         That's a relief then. Most certainly it won't occur.

[Eddie Coyle]

Guest Mish Shedlock (paraphrased): "the Republicans need to realize that Romney and Rush Limbaugh are the past..." (keeps talking with Noory trying to interrupt, finally saying...)
Noory: Hello...! Don't say Rush is the past, he keeps me afloat, for gods' sake!

Probably the truest thing that has ever left Noory's mouth on the show.

         Rare clarity from him. But even he must see that once Rush goes that house of cards will soon follow and Noory and the current C2C probably get offed. Live programming in the overnight isn't exactly booming.

[PB the Deplorable]

Maybe it is time for republicans to reevaluate their platform.

There are definitely some rough edges.  Mostly, they need to figure out how to appeal to Hispanic, Asian, and Black voters - many if not most believe in education, hard work, and do not want us to go in the direction the Ds want to take us anymore than anyone else does - which is toward the failed Socialist European style of government.  They have to find a way to communicate coherently and directly and learn how to better bypass the Corrupt Media to get their message out and refute the filth they put out about them all being racists, etc.

On the bright side, the loss was a narrow one in terms of popular votes, they held the House and picked up Governorships, so it's not like it was a rout.

Pretty clear 'Moderates' and RINOs aren't going to win the Presidency - even against the dregs like an Obama - so maybe they should stop nominating them.  Starting with informing Chris Christie going forward he is persona non grata, and recommending he save his energy and not to bother fund raising, setting up campaign exploration committes, or losing weight for a run in 2016.

[LacyWoodrow]

            I look at that electoral map and wonder...could we possibly be headed toward a Civil War in the coming 20-30 years?

Yes, which is why I purchased a buttload of land, and currently living on it.

[Juan]

Maybe it is time for republicans to reevaluate their platform.

Absolutely.  Michael Medved delights in calling Libertarians losertarians.  I say it's time to refer to Republicans as Losicans.  Right wing statism is as bad a left wing statism.  Sean Hannity is an example - always ready to use the force of government to force people into his social conventions.  I claim to be a Chrisitan, though most Christians would run from me, and I find the idea that we should have government by Biblical values horrifying.  Jesus himself set out the doctrine of separation of church and state.

As long as the Losicans continue to be the party of lighter statism, they will continue to be Losicans. 

I'm sorry I was talked into wasting my vote on Romney - I should have voted for Gary Johnson.

[Pragmier]

They have to find a way to communicate coherently and directly and learn how to better bypass the Corrupt Media to get their message out and refute the filth they put out about them all being racists, etc.

Pretty clear 'Moderates' and RINOs aren't going to win the Presidency - even against the dregs like an Obama - so maybe they should stop nominating them.  Starting with informing Chris Christie going forward he is persona non grata, and recommending he save his energy and not to bother fund raising, setting up campaign exploration committees, or losing weight for a run in 2016.

I disagree. It's not 'communication', it's the platform that's the problem. Going further to the right (specifically on social issues) will get Reps more of the same. Romney would have had a better chance if he'd gone to the middle sooner, and not had to run that primary gauntlet. Mass Romney, I feel, stood a better chance.

I watched the Republican debates, wanting someone to come forward and give me a good reason to vote for them. This is what I saw: audiences booed the gay soldier, booed Ron Paul when he expressed his anti-war position, booed Rick Perry when he showed compassion for children of illegal aliens (but cheered Texas' being #1 in executions! yeah!), the constant talk about God and religion, about fences (electrified and otherwise), the promises to lower taxes when the majority of Americans feel an increase should be part of debt reduction. Ron Paul was deemed unelectable, Huntsman's numbers were nonexistent, Romney disavowed his history to move ahead. Not to mention their issues with women (opposing the equal wage bill), rape, contraception, the right-wing masses support of the '47%' comment, etc.

Agree or not, these are issues important to large segments the GOP is mostly in the minority on.

[RealCool Daddio]

I disagree. It's not 'communication', it's the platform that's the problem. Going further to the right (specifically on social issues) will get Reps more of the same. Romney would have had a better chance if he'd gone to the middle sooner, and not had to run that primary gauntlet. Mass Romney, I feel, stood a better chance.

I watched the Republican debates, wanting someone to come forward and give me a good reason to vote for them. This is what I saw: audiences booed the gay soldier, booed Ron Paul when he expressed his anti-war position, booed Rick Perry when he showed compassion for children of illegal aliens (but cheered Texas' being #1 in executions! yeah!), the constant talk about God and religion, about fences (electrified and otherwise), the promises to lower taxes when the majority of Americans feel an increase should be part of debt reduction. Ron Paul was deemed unelectable, Huntsman's numbers were nonexistent, Romney disavowed his history to move ahead. Not to mention their issues with women (opposing the equal wage bill), rape, contraception, the right-wing masses support of the '47%' comment, etc.

Agree or not, these are issues important to large segments the GOP is mostly in the minority on.

We have a winner! 


The GOP are so far from the mainstream on social issues, and (due to demographics) getting further away every day.  If they don't change their social positions, they will become unelectable. 


But maybe that is GOD'S WILL!!!!!!

[RealCool Daddio]

          I am less than a mile from where he's throwing his celebration party and there's a parade of news vans leaving. Apparently they're tired of waiting as well.

          Two annoying helicopters overhead as well. It's 20 of one you assholes.

Must have been the whitest neighborhood in America last night.

[Sardondi]

Holy crap. I've been following presidential elections for almost 50 years. In that time I've never misjudged an eventual outcome. I've missed degrees of victory/defeat, but never the outcome. Well, there's a first time for everything. Obama's victory here to my mind is unprecedented because no President in my lifetime (and the nearest I'm guessing is Truman) has ever overcome the negatives Obama did. That he was re-elected in the face of this economy is just inexplicable to me. The very idea there are persons with the sense to find the voting place who find this economy "Bush's fault" just astonishes me. In every previous election an economy remotely as bad as this meant the president was thrown out, if for no other reason than the daily drumbeat of bad economic news. Except that was missing here. Not the bad economy, but the "news" part. Which brings me to my second thought.

I definitely underestimated the effect of 5 years of virtually the entire mass media acting as an arm of the Obama campaign and/or Administration. I had thought this country able to overcome a corrupted mass media. I was wrong. 5 years of unprecedented demagoguery, which went not just unchallenged but was abetted by the media, fundamentally altered the election equation. we've never seen in America the kind of open partisanship displayed by our media in the last four years. And their last greatest gift to Obama was stemming the growing tide of Benghazi revelations until after the election. They'll come now, but unnaturally and comfortably too late to affect Obama's reelection.

Another thing I was wrong about. The essential good sense and responsibility of middle America. I truly thought that when the chips were down, enough Americans would understand they had to do the hard, adult things that must to be done to prevent disaster. Everybody loves a party, and nobody likes to clean up. But it has to be done. We have no money. We have no money. We are literally the family whose parents have both been unemployed for 6 months and yet who are financing a family vacation to Hawaii out of the disaster fund. Which means there aren't enough grown ups left in America to turn the tide. And at heart that is a failure of my generation, the Boomers: the most spoiled, selfish, irresponsible demographic cadre it has ever been America's ill fate to produce. The Boomers should have led the fight for fiscal responsibility. Too many of them have acted like the past many years have been free-tv day at the Rodney King riots.

America has fundamentally changed. Before too many winners dance in the losers' blood, they need to understand what such a change could really mean for us. America is now officially a nation with a majority of government-check recipients. The net takers outnumber the net producers. There is a real, a very real possibility that a significant number of previously-responsible Americans will in the next years simply "go John Galt". If people feel like they're being treated as beasts of burden, they'll eventually act to relieve themselves of that burden. They'll do almost anything to stop serving as cash-cows for the government, from closing their businesses and relieving themselves of the crushing regulatory and tax burdens our leaders have put on them, to simply retreating from society and significantly reducing their standards of living.

Finally, this means America is really retreating from the world stage, and for decades to come. And don't think the world isn't drawing the same conclusion. It looks like Paul Kennedy wasn't wrong after all in The Rise And Fall Of The Great Powers: his prediction of America's decline into international irrelevance was just 35 years too early. China and Russia will now be completely unchecked. We're not going to intervene when China finally invades Taiwan, even though we're unequivocally bound by treaty to defend Taiwan. And we're going to stand by while those mideast governments controlled or heavily influenced by the Muslim Brotherhood, which is essentially all of them, once again band together in a bid to destroy Israel. With no US to keep it from happening, Israel will respond with its nuclear weapons, and will do so before Russia/and or China can act to attempt to take them out. That'll be fun.

This election will have far greater consequences than 2008, because now Obama will be unrestrained by internal forces, and only Congress can act to block his statist instincts. Which is the biggest joke of all.

[PB the Deplorable]

That about sums it up.

Shakespeare was wrong.  The first thing we do is kill all the journalists.  They turned this into a campaign about contraceptives and other phoney distractions because it sure couldn't be about foreign policy or the economy.  And people fell for it. 

And you are right about the boomers - what a self-indulgent never-grow-up it's-all-about-me bunch.

[LacyWoodrow]

The people spoke with their votes last night.

For those supporting him, I hope you made the right choice. Another 4 years like the previous 4 will ultimatly dig us into the point of no return... or better put, Greece's big brother.
These 4 years are quite possibly the most important in our countries history. Obama has a lot on his plate. I hope he does the right thing. We will find out soon enough.

[Pragmier]

In that time I've never misjudged an eventual outcome.

It's the new reality then I guess. We discussed the hard math (Silver was 50/50), and there was always some site somewhere that had a Romney landslide. Can't fix the problem while in denial. As a party keep what you value dearly (economic platform) and discard the fringe (social positions).

[Eddie Coyle]

Must have been the whitest neighborhood in America last night.

         Here's irony. The Convention Center he chose to hold his shindig in? It's basically a shrine to labor and working class Democrats. The white people who didn't vote for him.

[Eddie Coyle]

             I just read some "electronic mail" from dejected friends(alright, acquaintances) and two of them were lamenting Marco Rubio wasn't chosen as VP and were convinced that choosing him would have closed that Hispanic(nebulous categorization) voting gap to maybe 50/50.

          I retorted to both that if Herman Cain had received the nod, then he would have presumably closed that gap as well. And the Republicans would have won!!!!

            That's why I won't be listening to the radio...or opening e-mail today.

[Juan]

Interestingly, voters were fewer by the millions from 2008.  Romney was a poor candidate - Romney care, too rich, etc.  Those idiot rape baiting senators also affected turnout.

As for going Galt, it's being forced on my.  My job was eliminated and the prospects of finding one look bleak.  My most likely outcome is living in my van on public land and Walmart parking lots.

[Eddie Coyle]

 
         Proceed with caution with references to Galt. "Eric Starvo" also existed and we know what he did.
          I'm definitely guilty of overthinking here...but in oversensitive times, every word can be seen as a threat.

       

[Juan]

I heard plenty of the "Eric Starvo" predictions after the 2008 election.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

The people spoke with their votes last night.

For those supporting him, I hope you made the right choice. Another 4 years like the previous 4 will ultimatly dig us into the point of no return...

The last 3 years have been really good to me. If you have the right skill set things are booming.

I have to admit its very challenging out there though-companies are constantly looking for ways to cut employees. We are getting better at it too-computers are getting smarter and smarter.

[PB the Deplorable]

I don't want to sound like a dead-ender here, but I'm not convinced the Conservatives need to move on their issues.  I personally don't care that much about the social issues other than to say the govt should leave everyone alone unless they are committing some crime or something.

Looking at the election results, I see another GOP moderate presidential candidate lose.  Let's see Ford (moderate) lost, Reagan (Conservative) won twice.  Bush I pretended to be a C and won, then when people found out he was an M he lost the next one.  Dole (M) lost.  Bush II pretended to the a C and won, he easily could have lost in 04 if the Ds had put up a better candidate.  McCain (M) lost.  Looking at that, I'm not seeing how running Moderates helped the Party.

House races.  Too early to tell, it looks like the Rs may have picked up a few seats, they sure disn't lose many and every one of them was up for election.

Senate Races.  For the 10 open seats, Conservative R's won in Arizona, Nebraska, North Dakota, Texas, and Virginia.  Moderate R's lost in Conn, Hawaii, Maine, New Mexico, and Wisconsin.

Some of that is the state - Hawaii is going D no matter what.  Arizona is probably R no matter what.  But there is a trend, and it would likely show up in an analysis of the other more competitive states (but not the safe seats with well known long-time incumbents)

[HAL 9000]

'cuz our society has become a bunch of takers... those who feel entitled to free stuff. Unfortunately, I have some of these in my immediate family - conservative by political measure, but are now playing the system - more on that another time.

Here's an example"


"Obama Phone" Remix (parody song)

[ziznak]

'cuz our society has become a bunch of takers... those who feel entitled to free stuff. Unfortunately, I have some of these in my immediate family - conservative by political measure, but are now playing the system - more on that another time.

Here's an example"


"Obama Phone" Remix (parody song)

das mah girl!!! squeeeze me... i haf ta answer mah obama fone....

[Eddie Coyle]

       

             Barack Obama 347
             Mitt Romney    191

          Obama
           CA 55     MI 16    MD 10  IA 6  NH 4
           NY 29     NC 15   MN 10  NV 6  VT 3
           FL  29     NJ 14     WI 10   NM 5   DE 3
           PA  20     VA 13    CO 9    ME 4    DC 3
           IL   20      WA 12    OR 7   RI  4
           OH  18      MA 11    CT 7   HI  4

         Romney
           TX 38    MO 10  OK 7  NE 5   MT 3
            GA 16   AL 9     KS 6   WV 5   ND 3
            IN 11     SC 9     AR 6    ID 4     SD 3
            AZ  11    KY 8     MS 6   AK 3
            TN  11    LA 8     UT 6  WY 3

                           
       

Well, I predicted 347...it ended up 332. Thanks a lot, North Carolina. You are Bruce Froemming to my Milt Pappas. Fuck the Tarheels, you kept the Coyle from 50 out of 50. Fuckers.