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Gd5150

Quote from: Metron2267 on December 20, 2018, 02:34:41 PM
I think the Fed needs to go first.


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/20/cramer-fed-rate-hikes-widen-wealth-gap-by-hurting-working-americans.html
'Rich people won' â€" Cramer says Fed rate hikes widen the wealth gap by hurting working Americans
The central bank led by Jerome Powell is taking money out of the pockets of the middle class, says CNBC's Jim Cramer.

It’s interesting as the demokkkrat media tries to incite a recession by endlessly talking about fears of recession, the fed is raising interest rates proving the economy is still booming.


Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Metron2267 on December 20, 2018, 11:12:46 AM
You tend to savage globalist inconsistencies with reckless abandon, that much I will earnestly confirm.



You say reckless abandon as if you think there’s something worth salvaging about it. I don’t share this view and think it’s worthy of savaging just as slavery was/is.

Metron2267

Quote from: Gd5150 on December 20, 2018, 04:04:04 PM
It’s interesting as the demokkkrat media tries to incite a recession by endlessly talking about fears of recession, the fed is raising interest rates proving the economy is still booming.

Powell is waging war on the middle class.

He MUST go! >:(

Metron2267

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on December 20, 2018, 04:28:42 PM
You say reckless abandon as if you think there’s something worth salvaging about it. I don’t share this view and think it’s worthy of savaging just as slavery was/is.

I am on your side!


Kidnostad3

Quote from: Metron2267 on December 20, 2018, 11:16:06 AM
But we haven't even come close to overcoming it.

Because it's not in us, it's on us.

"The Chicxulub Asteroid Impact and Mass Extinction at the Cretaceous-Paleogene Boundary." Science.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/327/5970/1214

No shit? 

Metron2267

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on December 20, 2018, 05:16:24 PM
No shit?

Have a green comet for Christmas!



https://www.newsweek.com/christmas-comet-will-pass-earth-closest-distance-centuries-sunday-evening-1260796
The comet’s close approach lies in the top 10 comet appearances in the last 70 years. It will be visible not only on Sunday night, but into the next weeks. Farnham explained it can be seen Monday and a few days after in the same, powerfully colored state as Sunday. After that, the color may fade, but the comet will still be visible.

And remember, earth is just a cosmic shooting gallery:



https://tfrlive.com/earth-has-now-entered-as-a-target-in-a-cosmic-shooting-gallery/

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Metron2267 on December 20, 2018, 11:25:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsrGm86gTLA

https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/nwo-elite-george-bush-speech-today-demanded-globalism-bashed-trump-stopping/

“We cannot wish globalism away,” Bush said, noting that the United States must sustain “wise and sustained global engagement” for the future of the country. Bush indirectly accused Trump of fueling dangerous ideologies that threatened the unity of the United States and global stability, spending a large portion of his speech complaining about social ills in the country.

>:( >:( >:(



Whoa there, Dude.  Slow down and take a breath.  If you want to continue this discussion we’re going to proceed in an orderly fashion which is the first rule of debate.   A blizzard of polemics accompanied by ridiculously slanted videos and memes advances no ones argument and is in fact counter productive (and please, can we dispense with all the little yellow smiley faces.)  First we need establish terms of reference.

The attached Wikipedia article contains varying definitions  of “Globalism.”  Although it is only a light treatment of the subject, I believe that it is a fair summary and can be used as a point of departure for the discussion.  I invite you to provide an alternative as long as it is at least mínimally scholarly and not the work of a popular conspiracy theorists.   Let’s see if we can agree on the following:

The Breton Woods Conference, officially known as the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference, was a gathering of delegates from 44 nations that met from July 1 to 22, 1944 in Breton Woods, New Hampshire, to agree upon a series of new rules for the post-WWII international monetary system.  The term used to describe the underlying policy is globalism. 

As indicated in the attached Wikipedia article  “globalism” has taken on different meanings over the years depending on one’s political persuasion and there is a range of views between those that, if not polar opposites, are widely disparate.

At one extreme there are those who believe that globalism is the product of an effort by U.S. politicians, economists, industrialists and bankers to leverage the Nation’s singular economic power
to take advantage of foreign countries whose economies had been ruined by war.  Adherents to this view assert that it was and continues to be an effort by the aforementioned rich and powerful to solidify U.S. hegemony in the post war world and that it cedes no real power to the international community.   

At the other extreme are those who believe that from the beginning the vision and intent of the of Breton Woods conferees was to reduce America’s political and economic power so that a cabal of rich and powerful  transnationalists that include the aforementioned greedy Americans would be positioned to dominate international trade and finance thereby reaping untold profits.  However, at some point this group of elites will install a socialistic one world government stripping the U.S. and all nations of their sovereignty. 

We go no further until we sort this out.  Pls. get back to me with any points of agreement or disagreement in a post that is less than one BG page in length.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalism


Jackstar

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on December 20, 2018, 06:41:12 PM
Whoa there, Dude.  Slow down and take a breath. [...] The Breton Woods Conference, officially

Oh, boy. Here it comes.

Kidnostad3

House passes spending bill that includes 5.23 billion for the Wall. 


Metron2267

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on December 20, 2018, 06:41:12 PM


Whoa there, Dude.  Slow down and take a breath.  If you want to continue this discussion we’re going to proceed in an orderly fashion which is the first rule of debate.

You're going to try and firewall yourself from reality by invoking the "first rule of debate"? Do tell...   

Where do your regular strawmen, personal demonizations and projection rank in that virtual Marquis & Queensbury obfuscation?

QuoteA blizzard of polemics accompanied by ridiculously slanted videos and memes advances no ones argument and is in fact counter productive (and please, can we dispense with all the little yellow smiley faces.)  First we need establish terms of reference.

Iow, the latest evidentiary bread crumbs just set you into orbit. Sorry I used W's own speechifying, that was trashy of me... ::)

QuoteThe attached Wikipedia article contains varying definitions  of “Globalism.”  Although it is only a light treatment of the subject, I believe that it is a fair summary and can be used as a point of departure for the discussion. I invite you to provide an alternative as long as it is at least mínimally scholarly and not the work of a popular conspiracy theorists.



Yes, of course you wish editorial veto power over my citations, most ardent fascists would. :(

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/globalism
the idea that events in one country cannot be separated from those in another and that economic and foreign policy should be planned in an international way

https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Globalism

Globalism is the failed liberal authoritarian desire for a "one world" view that rejects the important role of nations in protecting values and encouraging productivity. Globalism is anti-American in encouraging Americans to adopt a "world view" rather than an "American view." The ultimate goal of globalism is the eventual unification of humanity under a one-world government.

Globalists oppose nationalism, national sovereignty, and self-governance. Instead, they favor open borders, free trade,[1] H-1B visas, interventionism, foreign aid, and changing the U.S. Constitution. They oppose strong border security and the building of border walls. Globalists virulently opposed Donald Trump in 2016. Instead, globalists preferred Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz for the nomination, the latter of which have voted in favor of the globalist agenda as senators. Globalists can come from several political leanings, from the far-left to those considered on the right-of-center.[2] George Soros and the Koch brothers are globalists. Globalists falsely claim that mass migration is necessary for economic growth.[3]

Liberals support globalism because it leads to centralized power, thereby providing liberals with an easier way to gain control. Liberals can more easily persuade a handful of people in centralized government to rule in their favor than convince everyone of their agenda in a decentralized form of government. Goals of American globalists include:

"harmonizing" our laws with foreign ones, rather than vice-versa
amnesty for illegal aliens, open borders, no border wall
more visas for guest workers
repealing the Second Amendment
eliminating the abortion issue from politics by making Roe v. Wade permanent
repealing the Electoral College
a parliamentary style of government
repealing the Treaty Clause
supporting many unnecessary treaties, like NAFTA and the Paris climate agreement, which don't receive Senate approval
removing state sovereignty and, eventually, establishing a one-world government


QuoteLet’s see if we can agree on the following:

The Breton Woods Conference, officially known as the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference, was a gathering of delegates from 44 nations that met from July 1 to 22, 1944 in Breton Woods, New Hampshire, to agree upon a series of new rules for the post-WWII international monetary system.  The term used to describe the underlying policy is globalism.

Check!

QuoteAs indicated in the attached Wikipedia article  “globalism” has taken on different meanings over the years depending on one’s political persuasion and there is a range of views between those that, if not polar opposites, are widely disparate.

No, globalism is generally seen as global governance, there simply are transitional states to full globalism like the unholy EU and the rejected League of Nations and it's Godless spawn - The United Nations. Subsidiary globalist trade "deals" , the Kyoto Protocol , and regular international monetary incursions are simply foot soldiers from inside the Trojan Horse.

QuoteAt one extreme there are those who believe that globalism is the product of an effort by U.S. politicians, economists, industrialists and bankers to leverage the Nation’s singular economic power to take advantage of foreign countries whose economies had been ruined by war.  Adherents to this view assert that it was and continues to be an effort by the aforementioned rich and powerful to solidify U.S. hegemony in the post war world and that it cedes no real power to the international community.

That is little more than a pallid set of camos for what is a far more encompassing program mundial. 

QuoteAt the other extreme are those who believe that from the beginning the vision and intent of the of Breton Woods conferees was to reduce America’s political and economic power so that a cabal of rich and powerful  transnationalists that include the aforementioned greedy Americans would be positioned to dominate international trade and finance thereby reaping untold profits.  However, at some point this group of elites will install a socialistic one world government stripping the U.S. and all nations of their sovereignty.

So you accept that the UN is their Trojan Horse, yes?  That they seek to usurp our Constitutional rights by the cudgel of "treaty", true?



QuoteWe go no further until we sort this out.  Pls. get back to me with any points of agreement or disagreement in a post that is less than one BG page in length.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalism
I have to say, this latest strategy of requiring ME to argue with Wikipedia in lieu of YOU is a most corrupted and personally damning example of the reviled and morally bankrupt "appeal to authority" argument - this time couched within a community edited and constantly revised virtual encyclopedia.

Was there nothing sufficiently authoritative in the Marvel Comics line?

Or does the globalism of their version of Captain America also befuddle you?

https://www.infowars.com/new-villains-in-captain-america-comic-are-opponents-of-illegal-immigration/


Metron2267

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on December 20, 2018, 07:09:59 PM
House passes spending bill that includes 5.23 billion for the Wall.

Passage of the measure over united Democratic opposition passes the hot potato to the Senate, which is set to consider the bill Friday. The bill is not expected to pass the Senate, where Democrats have rejected money for Trump’s wall.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/422387-house-passes-stopgap-bill-with-5b-in-wall-funding

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Metron2267 on December 20, 2018, 07:25:03 PM
You're going to try and firewall yourself from reality by invoking the "first rule of debate"? Do tell...   

Where do your regular strawmen, personal demonizations and projection rank in that virtual Marquis & Queensbury obfuscation?

Iow, the latest evidentiary bread crumbs just set you into orbit. Sorry I used W's own speechifying, that was trashy of me... ::)



Yes, of course you wish editorial veto power over my citations, most ardent fascists would. :(

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/globalism
the idea that events in one country cannot be separated from those in another and that economic and foreign policy should be planned in an international way

https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Globalism

Globalism is the failed liberal authoritarian desire for a "one world" view that rejects the important role of nations in protecting values and encouraging productivity. Globalism is anti-American in encouraging Americans to adopt a "world view" rather than an "American view." The ultimate goal of globalism is the eventual unification of humanity under a one-world government.

Globalists oppose nationalism, national sovereignty, and self-governance. Instead, they favor open borders, free trade,[1] H-1B visas, interventionism, foreign aid, and changing the U.S. Constitution. They oppose strong border security and the building of border walls. Globalists virulently opposed Donald Trump in 2016. Instead, globalists preferred Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz for the nomination, the latter of which have voted in favor of the globalist agenda as senators. Globalists can come from several political leanings, from the far-left to those considered on the right-of-center.[2] George Soros and the Koch brothers are globalists. Globalists falsely claim that mass migration is necessary for economic growth.[3]

Liberals support globalism because it leads to centralized power, thereby providing liberals with an easier way to gain control. Liberals can more easily persuade a handful of people in centralized government to rule in their favor than convince everyone of their agenda in a decentralized form of government. Goals of American globalists include:

"harmonizing" our laws with foreign ones, rather than vice-versa
amnesty for illegal aliens, open borders, no border wall
more visas for guest workers
repealing the Second Amendment
eliminating the abortion issue from politics by making Roe v. Wade permanent
repealing the Electoral College
a parliamentary style of government
repealing the Treaty Clause
supporting many unnecessary treaties, like NAFTA and the Paris climate agreement, which don't receive Senate approval
removing state sovereignty and, eventually, establishing a one-world government


Check!

No, globalism is generally seen as global governance, there simply are transitional states to full globalism like the unholy EU and the rejected League of Nations and it's Godless spawn - The United Nations. Subsidiary globalist trade "deals" , the Kyoto Protocol , and regular international monetary incursions are simply foot soldiers from inside the Trojan Horse.

That is little more than a pallid set of camos for what is a far more encompassing program mundial. 

So you accept that the UN is their Trojan Horse, yes?  That they seek to usurp our Constitutional rights by the cudgel of "treaty", true?


I have to say, this latest strategy of requiring ME to argue with Wikipedia in lieu of YOU is a most corrupted and personally damning example of the reviled and morally bankrupt "appeal to authority" argument - this time couched within a community edited and constantly revised virtual encyclopedia.

Was there nothing sufficiently authoritative in the Marvel Comics line?

Or does the globalism of their version of Captain America also befuddle you?

https://www.infowars.com/new-villains-in-captain-america-comic-are-opponents-of-illegal-immigration/




NOT RESPONSIVE.  REJECTED

Metron2267

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on December 20, 2018, 07:38:58 PM
NOT RESPONSIVE.  REJECTED

I didn't even start out with the intention of making you my bitch, but...


Gd5150

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on December 20, 2018, 07:09:59 PM
House passes spending bill that includes 5.23 billion for the Wall.

Fuckin A Bubba.




Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on December 20, 2018, 07:38:58 PM

NOT RESPONSIVE.  REJECTED

Translation: I can’t handle a real debate where actual facts are involved.

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Metron2267 on December 20, 2018, 07:46:59 PM
I didn't even start out with the intention of making you my bitch, but...



Gotcha! 


Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Metron2267 on December 20, 2018, 07:27:54 PM
Passage of the measure over united Democratic opposition passes the hot potato to the Senate, which is set to consider the bill Friday. The bill is not expected to pass the Senate, where Democrats have rejected money for Trump’s wall.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/422387-house-passes-stopgap-bill-with-5b-in-wall-funding

The Republicans control the senate...or are there still too many RINOs?



Metron2267

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on December 20, 2018, 08:22:33 PM
I thought Flake said he was stepping down?

After the 19th.

To be replaced by Kirtsten "code pink tutu" Sinema. :(

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Metron2267 on December 20, 2018, 08:24:44 PM
After the 19th.

To be replaced by Kirtsten "code pink tutu" Sinema. :(

Sigh. What’s wrong with people in Arizona?! ::)

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on December 20, 2018, 08:02:07 PM
Translation: I can’t handle a real debate where actual facts are involved.



Metron2267

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on December 20, 2018, 08:25:56 PM
Sigh. What’s wrong with people in Arizona?! ::)

Massive Dem ballot fraud:

Final Governor Results
GOP   Doug Ducey   56%        1,330,863
Dem   David Garcia   41.8%   994,341
Grn   Angel Torres   2.1%   50,962

Dem Senate Pickup
GOP   Martha McSally   47.6%.     1,135,200
Dem Kyrsten Sinema   50%           1,191,100
Grn   Angela Green   2.4%   57,442

Shoot, that's only about 200,000 raw votes that went to the Republican candidate in the Governor's race and not the Republican candidate in the Senate race?

Yeah...right... >:( >:( >:(

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Gd5150 on December 20, 2018, 07:48:23 PM
Fuckin A Bubba.



The Senate vote will be historic.   In the short term, those who vote nay or present will be forced to own every egregious crime and needless death that is sure to result from their refusal to secure the border.  Beyond that their names will be permantly linked to the decline of America just as certain Roman elites are linked to the fall of Rome. 

A MANUAL OF PARLIAMENTARY PRACTICE:
for the Use of the Senate of the United States.
BY THOMAS JEFFERSON.
SECOND EDITION. WITH THE LAST ADDITIONS OF THE AUTHOR
GEORGE TOWN:
PUBLISHED BY JOSEPH MILLIGAN; AND BY WILLIAM COOPER, WASHINGTON.
1812.

http://www.constitution.org/tj/tj-mpp.htm

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on December 19, 2018, 10:13:05 PM
You have completely lost it and have flown in concentric circles right up your own ass. 

Who here believes that everyone that does not believe that Bush is the villain that some believe he is automatically makes him a globalist.  Please, a show of hands.

The people have spoken.  Only Metron and M.D. are into idiotic generalizations.   



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