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Quote from: Falkie2013 on March 07, 2016, 11:32:34 AM
It's incredible how Drone jumps from child molestation to inferring that because my forum admin and friend goes to Guatemala, he automatically becomes a child molestation suspect.

NOT AT ALL.  I have told you OVER and OVER that I was not accusing Justin of being a child molester.  Re-read my post!!

Quote from: Falkie2013 on March 07, 2016, 11:32:34 AM
Now her infers that Military Justice is a NAMBLA member and that I shouldn't talk to him.

Again, re-read the post.  I said MJ wasn't a NAMBLA member, I am just concerned for you that you don't go picking bad friends.   Go read his posts, he's not someone you want to be associating with.  I'm sure if Morphiaflow was here, he'd try to talk to you on the phone too.  WATCH OUT, GEORGE!!!

Quote from: Falkie2013 on March 07, 2016, 11:32:34 AM
The REAL reason he does this, of course, is that he cannot accept that I no longer wish to talk to him on the phone, in hangouts or be on any podcast with him because of his obsession with asking sexual questions about me, Kathy, and my friends; so he chooses to attack those I CHOSE to associate with or talk to.

Yes, but you have chosen poorly so many times.

Quote from: Falkie2013 on March 07, 2016, 11:32:34 AM
Knock it off Drone about MJ and the rest of you about Kathy.
I've made bad choices on here on whom I associated with. 2 of them I no longer associate with.
But ... It's no ones affair whom I do or not associate with except me so stfu about it.

It's your own affair.  I think you should stick with Kathy.  That woman loves the shit out of you!

Quote from: Falkie2013 on March 07, 2016, 11:18:22 AM
Excuse me Drone but don't make assumptions about me as invariably, like do many others on here, you're wrong.
At present I am not lonely.
Too busy dealing with things to be lonely.
And who in the hell is MJ ?

Sorry, I didn't mean to make assumptions, being a lonely old guy is what you told me before, and if you say it is so it is so, so I said so, see?

MJ... think about it!

Quote from: onan on March 07, 2016, 07:24:14 AM
So, what was the biggest thing?

The only response I got were shrieks of horror and the sound of a click as the phone was hanging up.   George and Kathy were both VERY offended, and as Falkie has said, he thought I was referring to her anus.   I often wonder how George deals with his girlfriend's poop hole being such a discussed subject on an obscure bulletin board like this.   I could only imagine if my significant other that I hadn't had intercourse with in years was talked about in such a manner.   Kathy's dignity is on the line here, and maybe we shouldn't all disrespect it so woefully.  Her brown eye is her business.

Quote from: JENX on March 07, 2016, 07:10:43 AM
Now, that's just not nice. A topic we could have clearly stayed way away from.

I 100% agree with you!  Unfortunately George's mind wanders at times.   Again for the record, George is vehemently anti-child molester!   He has done numerous videos where he has denounced Casio, for example. 

Child molestation is sick and wrong.  Make no doubt about it.  In all seriousness, I would not joke about it.  I honestly wasn't accusing Justin of anything of the sort.   If Falkie would also recall, I was the one who cut HIM off after he made that accusation, and when my tempers cooled, and tried to speak with him again, he refused.   Falkie does not like it when you shut him down, he must be the one to shut you down.

I suspect that when Falkie's fascination with MJ wanes (or vice versa), Falkie will be back on the Drone train.   He needs someone to talk to on a regular basis.  He's a lonely old man, as he will openly admit.

I'm trying to be his friend and supporter, as you can tell.   For the record, I asked Kathy what was the biggest thing she ever took up her hoo-hoo.   I would point Falkie to this definition of said term:

http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/hoo-hoo

It was a disgusting question either way.  I have apologized to Falkie.   

The latest rift, if Falkie recalls, is when I was trying to tell Falkie to get his forum administrator Justin to warn the South American authorities about the travels of another person.    You see, Justin routinely visits his mayan cat and coffee plantation in Guatemala so I thought it might behoove him to visit the local PD and warn them about the travels of a child molester known to Falkie.    Unfortunately George took it as me accusing Justin of child molestation (because he travels routinely to a country known for being visited by child molesters for purposes thereof).   I wasn't saying anything of the sort.    Why George's mind would go in that direction - that Justin travels to Guatemala on a routine basis for more than just coffee and a cat visit, specifically sex with children - is beyond me.

I know George is currently conversing heavily with MilitaryJustice on the phone or skype or hangouts now a days, and that's part of the reason he has no interest in talking with me.   I wish I could point out some of MJ's (wow, aren't those initials familiar) former posts to Falkie and show him how he should be somewhat concerned about talking to the man-boy, but alas, because he was formerly banned I can't go through a list of his old posts anymore.  I just think that Falkie really needs to watch who he's talking to.  I don't think he would want to be speaking to any members here who would be members of NAMBLA or anything of the sort.  I want to make it clear I'm not accusing MJ of anything like that...  I just think Falkie needs to know who he's talking to.

Unfortunately for Falkie, he has a record of making poor choices when it comes to his friends.  I just want to see the big guy make some good ones.   :

Quote from: MV on May 04, 2015, 01:19:31 PM
fuck it.  i don't care what anyone says.  falkie rocks.

Truer words were never spoken. Thank you, MV.

Quote from: Bart Ell on March 01, 2016, 02:28:54 PM
Hi Slothie!
Beat on any women lately?
Any other relatives die so you could steal their credit cards?

Everyone knows that Falkie either paid off his mother's credit cards, or is making payments to get it paid off.   Everyone knows that Kathy's bruises are from her health issues, NOT from Falkie beating her.   

You really have nothing better to do than stalk Falkie?   Why were you on SF Redbook again?   

#FalkieArmy  #LongLiveTGFP

Quote from: joph on March 01, 2016, 04:44:39 PM
terrible video

Hey Joph..   see that cat on my head?  It has more brains than you.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on March 01, 2016, 10:32:35 AM
And everyone knows that you were wearing a pyjama top, fatso.

Looked like a knit top to me.  Even if it was pajamas, as he said, plenty of people wear them into Starbucks so why shouldn't he if he chooses to do so?  It's his life.  You have nothing better to do than just attack the man for any little thing.  If it wasn't his shirt it would be his hair, if not his hair his skin, if you couldn't find something wrong with him, you'd criticize the background.   Go back to high school where you belong.  Maybe you'll learn the second time how to be a good citizen.

#FalkieArmy

Quote from: Who on March 01, 2016, 10:20:08 AM
You waddle into Starbucks with your bottled water to use their free wifi.  What's in it for them?

#1 They get to be graced by your majesty's presence.  That should be payment enough.  #2 as I just said, he has bought coffee there for years.  So you don't know shit about anything, as George says in his videos.   

Quote from: Who on March 01, 2016, 10:20:08 AM
You've admitted hitting girlfriends and mothers.  Does this include Starbucks employees?

He has never hit anyone else in his life, as far as I'm aware, and even when he hit Kathy he was only either "playing" or defending his honor when she kept arguing with him, even then it was just a little love tap like the time we saw him bop Kathy on the head in the New Years video.


#FalkieArmy

Quote from: Defwhale on March 01, 2016, 09:08:53 AM
Still besmirching the good name of people who actually are from Pittsburgh.

George did his video PROVING once and for all that he's from Pittsburgh, PA, not Pittsburg, CA.  Didn't you hear him rattle off all those places he visited/went to as a kid?  Where do you think the Bridges to Freedom Club came from?

Quote from: Defwhale on March 01, 2016, 09:08:53 AM
Aren't you embarrassed to walk in, ask for water, sit and do your dumb videos, then leave?  You know it's a business, right?  They need to sell coffee and pastries in order to cover expenses and pay their employees.  Not that that's something you're interested in.  The water and tables are for customers, not beggars and deadbeats.

Oh please.  He has bought coffee there FOR YEARS.  They like him and you think they're going to care if he can only get water for a few weeks?   These are the people that see his t-shirts and talk about how they've seen his  youtube channel, if you're forgetting.

Quote from: Defwhale on March 01, 2016, 09:08:53 AM
George Noory has been in the area at least a couple of times lately to do shows.  Did you invite him over to mop, wash dishes, or vacuum?  He is a good friend, right?

Noory has done more for George than you have ever done or ever will do.  Did you send him a check for $200 to cover a new pair of glasses?   Did you invite George and Kathy out to a very nice dinner?  No, you didn't.  You call yourself "Def" Whale and IF I WERE George, I would say you were not just deaf, but dumb and illiterate too! 

#FalkieArmy

Quote from: Falkie2013 on March 01, 2016, 09:01:31 AM
They give everyone there free water who asks for it but I also bring in my own bottled water.
You, however, they should give free hemlock.
And you, too are too dumb to tell the difference between a pajama top and a regular shirt.
As for Bellgab being my lifesblood, no way.
And no diabetes in my family either.
Sorry to disappoint you, shredded sewage matter for brains.

Tell 'em George!  With all your ailments, you're still alive and kicking.  You are TOO STRONG and TOO STUBBORN to be taken down by any kind of disease or health problem!   

#LongLiveTGFP  #FalkieArmy

Let's clear this up right now.   I am not Gerry, although we have met IRL - I visited him a couple of times before he went under the knife, since we live relatively close to each other.  Gerry hasn't been posting on the boards lately for personal reasons.   I still communicate with him privately and he's doing as well as can be expected.   His brain surgery went fine and he's back to driving and living his life again with Mrs. Gerry.   I don't know if he'll ever come back but know this - he's not an alternative poster and he's still as much of a Falkie supporter as he ever was, even if Falkie has given up on him (which he has according to Falkie's most recent PM to me.)   As far as I know, his grave digging son is still out there, but I haven't talked lately to Gerry about him.  Gerry's daughter apparently was made aware of Falkie's interest in her and she's open to a relationship with Falkie if it would lead to a path to US citizenship.  But I'll let Gerry cover that further if he decides he'd like to fill the rest of you in on the going ons of his daughter.

As of today, Feb 27, 2016, Falkie refuses to speak to me on the phone and wants pretty much nothing to do with me.   I don't blame him, I released some privately shared information that he gave me about his younger years, and I routinely asked him sexual questions that crossed the line about Kathy's sexuality and his own.  It's a shame, I thought we had a good thing going between us, but he just can't stand me anymore.  To be honest, it's a honor to me that he even writes to attack me given all the things I have done to him.   He's a gem of a human being who just wishes everyone to like him and watch his youtube channel.

So here I am, publicly admonishing the rest of you cretins who continue to belittle Falkie and amuse yourself at every turn when his life is currently in utter turmoil. Instead of realizing the folly of your ways, as I have, day after day you insist on beating down a man who is already *literally* limping his life along.   You folks, and you know who you are, should be ashamed of yourselves.   Falkie is the king of youtube, and he gives you many hours of entertainment, news and sports coverage that you won't get anywhere else - and he does it knowing that the lot of you will never pay him a dime for it.

Oh, and Little Shits, Big Shits, Little Chris (as falkie said he liked to call you in the video), knock it off with the sexual stuff, will you?  You've crossed the line too many times and the most recent animated gif has far surpassed anything previously done.  Don't be surprised if one day you find a gentleman with a summons at your door to appear in civil court.  Once Falkie has the money, he is intent on taking you down.

Quote from: zeebo on February 27, 2016, 01:16:27 AM
Berserk. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ektxaqu_V4k

I want to know why NASA kept this classified, and I also find it interesting that the astronaut said that NASA would withhold things from the public if it deems it not in the public's best interest.  There's proof right there that they would keep ET intelligence quiet.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on February 20, 2016, 08:06:22 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V3oT7BRiWo

LOL, that's the funniest video I've seen in a long time.  It makes you wonder if it's a fake in order to promote Planet of the Apes.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on February 19, 2016, 10:39:48 AM
It isn't working buddy... Application won't run. I've broken the WWW!!!

This reminds me of the first Other Side of Midnight show...

Quote from: Chronaut on February 18, 2016, 06:31:37 AM
I’ve always thought that candle story was one of the biggest problems with Bob Lazar’s cover story.  Because for one thing, the reactor isn’t containing the gravitational field if it can time dilate a candle outside of it, but more crucially, time and frequency are dependent on each other, so if the candle became time dilated close to a standstill as he describes, the frequency of its light should be deeply red-shifted, and it would be much fainter.  It makes no sense to have a region of slowed time without changing the color or intensity of the light emitted from it.  Unless it's not a time effect at all, but some kind of acoustical standing wave effect holding the air in that region very still...that's just speculation though.

I'd love to see a video/animated gif of what a candle would look like to an outside observer if it were suspended in an increasing gravity field.   Get on that shit, boys.

You say there is no chance it wouldn't be color shifted, but by how much?  What happens once the photons reach the regular gravity field of earth and return to near the speed of light (in a vaccuum)?   Why wouldn't they shift back since they are then increasing in speed?    I know there was an experiment where someone "stopped" or slowed light significantly down in a medium.   What happened to the color of that light when was released?  Hoping you are familiar with that experiment...

I cannot believe some of the shit posted on the thread.  Who are you people?

Quote from: Chronaut on February 17, 2016, 11:15:26 PM
I think at this point it's possible that the singularities that we recently heard merge into one, could have been very small but still 3D objects - perhaps the size of a proton or smaller.  It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the on-going analysis of the signal, and the confidence level of mathematical predictions about the singularities.

I don't know if I'm using the right terminology here, but can one of you explain how a large mass can collapse to a single point in terms of a quantum field?   As AO expressed early on in this thread, we should really think of everything in terms of fields.   Mass, as far as I understand, is just a fluctuation in this field, when great enough there is quanta that becomes say a proton (or a quark whatever). 
In 2D terms, I think of an oscilloscope, and maybe this is the wrong way to think about it, but let's say you have a particle (a bit of mass) when the scope reads 5 volts at a wave crest.   Is that a fair, albeit overly simplistic analogy?  In that example, would a lot of mass close together be a higher frequency in the field?   

I have another question for you Chron, as it relates to Bob Lazar.  Do you recall his comments about the candle flame?   What do you think about what he said in terms of his claims of a gravity generator?  What brings this question to mind is this:

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-resources/time-changed-inside-a-black-hole/

QuoteTime comes to a standstill at the event horizon, such that an outside observer will never really see anything fall inside a black hole. Strangely enough, this even includes the surface of the star that collapsed to form the black hole!

I reread my statement and yes I agree I was confusing mass with mass density.   I do know the difference, I don't know why exactly I said that.   

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Hawking radiation and gravitational waves will tell you a lot about whether or not there's a structure in there too given how black holes merge and ringdown.

How's that?

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So it may be there's a spacetime crystal

Quote from: Agent : Orange on February 17, 2016, 07:28:02 PM
Yes, I do. Everything up to the singularity is well defined and understood mathematically. The singularity is not. The outside observations agree with GR predictions. No matter how much you may dislike it, GR has a track record of working well and it does in this case too. It has a long line up of people hoping and praying to shoot it down and would not have lasted as long as it has if it did not work well. Everyone wants to be the guy to beat Einstein but it's proven very difficult to do.

I've got more to say but I need to go do something so I'll just keep the conversation flowing with this..  I don't dislike GR, I'm simply asking is there any physical evidence that there can't be a body inside the event horizon?  You say no, but only give a model, which GR is, even though at least from all past experiments it has been proven to be true.  But it's still a model.   I'm asking you, is there anything physical, an experiment that has been done, might be able to be done (even in theory), or an observation of a distant body that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the mass is not a singular point (or ring, or whatever).   How can one say that GR is correct beyond the point we can see when there is no data to prove it?   Again, I'm not trying to ask this in a gotcha kind of way.    I just don't understand how mass/energy can fall to a single point in space.   I'm not saying I can't understand why according to GR, I certainly could if I just accept that it is true everywhere (like you do), I just find it physically hard to believe because a singularity that is infinite seems like adding infinity+10 more stars shouldn't grow the event horizon, yet apparently it does.  Do you see what I'm saying?   

Quote from: Agent : Orange on February 17, 2016, 05:43:50 PM
It may not be truly singular at the center due to quantum gravity hijinx. A black hole has an event horizon, a neutron star does not. That means a black hole does not emit any radiation. Black holes are consistent with microlensing observations which set strong limits on the flux that can be coming from that object. All we can say about the mass inside the horizon is that it is sufficiently compact to have an event horizon so can't have any external structure and since we know about the type of degenerate pressure that can be generated by matter we don't know of anything that could form structure inside the horizon.

I don't find it odd that more mass increases the event horizon, since that's predicted by GR. It's spacetime curvature that makes up the external gravitational field, and you can think of Einstein's field equations as telling you how to translate mass into spacetime curvature. That's totally consistent.

If you're uncomfortable with the concept of an event horizon you're always free to transform to a frame where it doesn't exist and do your calculations there instead. Nothing wrong with taking the falling astronauts point of view.

Edited to add: Let me also say for completion that not all black holes have singular points - the rotating black hole solution (called the Kerr solution) has a singular ring.

You wouldn't say, that in a way, every large body has an event horizon where you cannot escape it's gravity (ignoring the ability to generate opposing forces, or coming at it with speed)?   Of course, a black hole is not a star, but what concrete example says that what is inside of a black hole is not simply matter in some form that does take up a reasonable amount of space?   So far all you've given examples of are the outside observations and calculations, which you admit DO break down at the singularity.   You don't know what happens even beyond the point where someone has gone from red to dark red to invisible.

In the ring case, is the singular ring a 2d ring or a ring rotated in 3 space, such that it makes a hollow sphere?

Quote from: Agent : Orange on February 17, 2016, 11:13:55 AM
The math says they collapse further, this really has more to do with the physics of matter and how to describe degeneracy than it has to do with the physics of black holes. Stars are much more complicated than black holes in fact.

It's also not at all true the math is useless to describe black holes, far from it. The math works fine and so does GR until you try to do a calculation at the exact center, r=0, and then you run into problems. This is the only place where the curvature become infinite so we really need quantum gravity for that part. But in the physics of the black hole exterior, how orbits behave, the lensing properties and accretion processes and mechanics in general are all well understood.

We have seen many black holes obscure and lens stars in the background, they behave as predicted by GR. We've seen stars torn apart by them that behave in the ways GR predicts black holes should behave, seen them in binary systems, seen disks around them, etc. There are a huge number of astronomical observations which support them and their mathematical description. The solid proof is composed of the observations of black holes themselves and the mathematical interpretation. Objects too massive to be stars exist and they behave in a consistent way with GR predicts they should. That much is non-negotiable. In fact the event horizon telescope is currently being used to image the shadow of the black hole at the center of the galaxy (sgr A*) directly which will give all kinds of strong field tests of GR.

Of course we have not been inside a black hole (and would not be able to return or send a signal out even if we had) nor have we ever created one in a lab (which would not a real breakthrough and not doomsday as many people speculate).

Sorry, not a lot of time to respond, but in what way would a black hole with a singularity be different than a black hole that has the same mass with the physical dimensions of a large neutron star?    Don't you find it odd that a black hole's event horizon increases as it swallows up more mass, given that it is already infinite at a singular point?

Quote from: Agent : Orange on February 17, 2016, 07:42:23 AM
There's a fundamental limit to the amount of outward pressure matter can exert to keep a star stable called the Chandrasekhar limit. Put any more mass on a star that's at the limit and gravity beats pressure, collapsing the object. If it's a neutron star you're adding mass to, it will become a black hole (Or, possibly a quark star if those exist - but then there will be some even lower limit where quark degeneracy pressure is defeated and collapse to a black hole occurs). Regardless of the details (degenerate neutron matter or degenerate quark matter) anything over 3 solar masses with a radius smaller than 10 km is most likely a black hole. When you get into the 10s of solar masses range there's no question you're dealing with a stellar mass black hole.

Okay, but how do we KNOW that mass actually collapses further?   I mean, the existence of what we observe as a "black hole" is pretty much proven.  But not what they are inside...   How do they know mass collapses to a singularity instead of just being really tight and in the case of a black hole, really big.   I mean, the calculations themselves break down, don't they?   I'm not meaning to say "we can't look into a black hole so you can never know" but is there some real solid proof beyond calculations that this must be true?

Has anyone ever actually created a tiny black hole that people worried about with the LHC?

I still would love to play online Diplomacy with a group of you guys if anyone was interested.

I've got another question about black holes, AO and Chron...   how do we know that mass is a point at the center of a black hole?   Why couldn't it be that it's just a really really big neutron star, or something?    I'm assuming there are some calculations that say the neutrons can't support that much mass and thus must collapse, but how do we know that for sure?

I think most of us understand what a gravitational wave looked like (as a simple example) without the need for illustrations (even though they are cool).    What I'm having a hard time understanding is that, okay, say you have a rubber ball with the right orientation such that this wave is going to stretch it in spacetime.   Would that pass any energy to it in any kind of regular sense, ie would this hypothetical rubber ball be stretched to bounce if it were on a table made of mass that was not affected by the wave?

Quote from: Kolchak on February 16, 2016, 05:49:16 PM
Chris Carter has never been good at writing standalone episodes. This has not changed.

Hmm.  I don't think I or many others would agree with this.  There were lots of great ones in the past, but maybe they weren't written by Carter? LOL.  The first thing I think of when I think about X-Files isn't the ufos/aliens etc, it's that guy who eats newspapers to make his nest.  That was insanely creepy.    I also fondly remember the one where the guy could call lightning down on people and cause car crashes by flipping the traffic lights.  There were a lot of good ones.   I can only recall one that I really didn't like, and it was that one they did in black and white, but most people disagree with me apparently because I looked it up on imdb and it got something like 9/10, so what do I know.

Even when Doggett/Reyes took over, I was skeptical, but the show was still pretty good.  I think it suffered that they tried to carry Scully on as a third wheel, and obviously they had to figure out a way to get rid of William because he was definitely dragging the show in a direction it didn't need to go.

On a side note, I don't remember that they ever did an episode on bigfoot, which kind of surprises me and I would still like to see.

Quote from: Value Of Pi on February 16, 2016, 05:08:40 PM
I like the magnifying glass explanation of where some of the critiques are coming from. I, for one, revel in any opportunity not to complain about something, or better yet, to praise something that actually works as it should. We don't often get these opportunities.

Hillary Clinton is a great communicator.