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Quote from: VoteQuimby on December 03, 2015, 03:09:35 PM
Speaking as a fairly successful 30-year old white male former lifelong democrat/liberal independent, I am completely disenfranchised with the political system in the United States. This country has circled the drain under my feet since the first Junior administration to the extent that I feel like a raging narcissistic con man in a suit with the worst toupee in history who's running a joke campaign has closest thing resembling a grip on reality in modern politics. That's fucked up.

I hate the Republicans because The Bush Administrations is one of the worst things I've ever personally witnessed. These idiots destroyed our economic prosperity, civil liberties, the American middle class and shoved our dick into the middle east destabilizing the region causing a worldwide clusterfuck that will plague humanity for generations. I also hate their religion, xenophobia and goddamn stupidity.

I was a lifelong liberal because I thought liberals were supposed to be smarter than all that. But somewhere in Obama's Administration, goddamn socialism has taken over what I thought was liberalism and we have the same extremist shit created by geniuses for economic gain and pushed by idiots because it looks good on Facebook. Socialism is the dumbest thing I've ever experienced in my adult life and I think modern American socialists are damaged people who stopped mentally developing for whatever reason in their early teens. You go to Canada and you see a brand of socialism that actually makes sense and is logical. You listen to American socialists and it's like being stuck on a team with the lamest people in Jr High. I've also never met an American socialist who didn't live off someone else or who's living was based around furthering their socialist bullshit.

It's like we're living in a Soviet bloc state if the Soviets were a bunch of crybaby pussies who want to blame everyone else for their failings in life instead of taking responsibility while displaying about a ten year old's grasp on the world. We now have rampant censorship when these people were the ones telling me to hack the system a few years ago. What is that?

I voted for these motherfuckers I thought they were going to fix the economy, move us closer towards racial tolerance and stop this bullshit in the middle east.

Not only have the Democrats fucked up literally every one of those things but they're using them against the citizens in the same divide and conquer way that the republicans were. The only real difference is now I'm being blamed as a somewhat successful 30 year old white guy as the cause of all of societies' ills. I'm the one paying the taxes and the one who you tried to fuck with student loans and absurd government regulations not allowing to compete on the same level as the rich cocksuckers who paid off the politicians. Yeah let me go enter a shitty highly competitive work place for a horrible 9 to 5 job for dwindling living standards to pay off insane student loans that enslave me for the first part of my adult life and insane housing mortgages for the second part of my adult life.

And another thing, stop trying to claim and alter language. It's Orwellian and frightening as well as moronic. The word slavery is a bigger word than your fucking perceived struggle or whatever your problem is today.

Now after yesterday's terrorist attack, I'm done. Now we can't even acknowledge reality? You can't even say they're terrorists when they're clearly fucking terrorists? The Democrats want to talk about gun control and forcing that as an issue when that had fucking nothing to do with any of this? And we're spinning off into some bizarro debate not even based in reality which is designed to tire everyone out until the next media produced tragedy makes us completely forget about this one. It's not politically correct to say this was terrorism or likely had links to Islamic terrorism? How that even a left/right issue? That's fucking reality. What happened yesterday was terrible but what frightens me more than anything is how this country handled it. Once it didn't fit the narrative, it was completely disregarded. How are we going to confront real problems as a country when we can't even accept reality?

This country is going to economically collapse soon. We're so fucking stupid, I just can't see it going any other way. Also as someone who pays close attention to international economics, we're getting murdered by China and it's not even funny. When the dollar loses it's international standing which is coming sooner than later and the yuan becomes the new international standard, I think that's going to throw this country into a cataclysm it's not going to be able to recover from.

I've been saying it for a while, we need an entirely new political system. The one we have is going obsolete and can no longer properly respond to national issues. Technology is poised in such a way that over the next few decades the human race will go unemployed. That's a guarantee. Almost every job that exists can eventually be automated by an AI, all that's needed is the development of the technology to do so and that's already happening. Given that good business requires costs be cut where they can be, an increasing amount of jobs will be automated at ever increasing rates. But with that comes ever shrinking markets. That is a recipe for permanent economic collapse.

It won't just be the US economy that collapses, though I think you're right in that once the yuan becomes the reserve currency we're toast, it will be the world economy. A new order will arise where the means of production will be nationalized out of sheer necessity at first to keep society running, but then personalized as the advent of nanofactories give the individual the means of production.

Throughout this, people will have to give up certain political sacred cows because in that new order they won't matter anymore. What is race when race can be genetically manipulated? What is sexual orientation when you can choose it? What is religion when people become practically immortal or download themselves into a computer? All of those questions are coming much faster than anyone realizes.

No currently existing political order can handle any of the coming changes humanity is going to face over the next four decades. They're just completely unprepared for it and certainly can't manage it. Business as usual is no longer sufficient.

CornyCrow

VoteQ - humanity may have a glorious future, but the ride to that future appears to be very bumpy.  Perhaps the new technologies is pushing this movement to bring all cultures up to a more advanced standard.  I think you're right, and I think most people can feel it coming.  Thank you for encapsulating the idea of our future as you have.   


"RIYADH: Saudi Arabia announced yesterday the formation of a military coalition of 34 countries to fight “terrorism” in the Islamic world, in the latest sign of a more assertive foreign policy by the kingdom. The regional Sunni power said the alliance would share intelligence, combat violent ideology and deploy troops if necessary. “Nothing is off the table. A number of countries are in desperate need of assistance,” Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubeir said. “Terrorism has hit Islamic countries. It is time that the Islamic world takes a stand,” he told reporters in Paris..."

The rest of the article

http://news.kuwaittimes.net/website/11387-2/


albrecht

Quote from: VoteQuimby on December 18, 2015, 12:09:52 PM
"RIYADH: Saudi Arabia announced yesterday the formation of a military coalition of 34 countries to fight “terrorism” in the Islamic world, in the latest sign of a more assertive foreign policy by the kingdom. The regional Sunni power said the alliance would share intelligence, combat violent ideology and deploy troops if necessary. “Nothing is off the table. A number of countries are in desperate need of assistance,” Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubeir said. “Terrorism has hit Islamic countries. It is time that the Islamic world takes a stand,” he told reporters in Paris..."

The rest of the article

http://news.kuwaittimes.net/website/11387-2/
I'm guessing most of the "terrorists" they kill will be people talking bad against the corruption of the various "royals" or, in a pinch, some Iranian allies. If they wanted to stop Muslim terrorism they should stop funding the Muslim schools around the globe and stop their people from financing terrorists.

albrecht

Obama's paper edits out his excuse that him not watching enough cable tv is responsible for him not appreciating terrorism.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/ny-times-gives-explanation-for-why-they-cut-embarrassing-obama-quote-and-it-makes-zero-sense/

And the head of our so-called DHS, speaking in a mosque, admits his communist ties and his support for Islam over our national security. Also interesting tidbit about Obama's handler Jarret and her deep family ties to "hardcore" communism.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/12/dhs-sec-protecting-muslims-from-mccarthyism-his-communist-grandpa-lived-under/



Ted Cruz is a short guy. I was surprised seeing him in a photo with other people all around him.

pyewacket

I don't usually wander over here but I thought you might enjoy this article written by Greg Gutfeld. He makes good sense when he pokes fun at the sorry state of society.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/28/gut-check-2015-the-year-in-denial/


Value Of Pi

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 03, 2016, 02:46:16 PM
Saudi Arabia and Iran sever diplomatic ties:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35217328


This could get really nasty

This is really bad when I'm finding out about major news via BellGab. Maybe I am actually addicted to this place. Thanks for the news and the link.

Quote from: Value Of Pi on January 03, 2016, 02:55:24 PM
This is really bad when I'm finding out about major news via BellGab. Maybe I am actually addicted to this place. Thanks for the news and the link.

"Responding to Saudis cutting Iran ties, official says US encourages diplomatic engagement, urges "affirmative steps to calm tensions" "

So it sounds like Kerry and Barky are on top of the situation.  Carry on.

paladin1991

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 03, 2016, 02:46:16 PM
Saudi Arabia and Iran sever diplomatic ties:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35217328


This could get really nasty

Not for me.  I'd love to watch those fuckers got at it.  Who's got the popcorn?

paladin1991

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 03, 2016, 03:23:44 PM
"Responding to Saudis cutting Iran ties, official says US encourages diplomatic engagement, urges "affirmative steps to calm tensions" "

So it sounds like Kerry and Barky are on top of the situation.  Carry on.

I'd like to see it happen.  Haji vs Haji.  Who  will win?  Who will care?

Curandero81

Quote from: paladin1991 on January 03, 2016, 11:32:22 PM
I'd like to see it happen.  Haji vs Haji.  Who  will win?  Who will care?
You have such a SHOT memory !!
Iraq and Iran were just doin' fine before you assholes fucked it up !
(Bush too)

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 03, 2016, 03:23:44 PM
"Responding to Saudis cutting Iran ties, official says US encourages diplomatic engagement, urges "affirmative steps to calm tensions" "

So it sounds like Kerry and Barky are on top of the situation.  Carry on.


Oh, it's going to get worse...oil prices already going up.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35222365


There was a discussion about Saudi and Iran today on the radio. One guy called in who had worked in both countries. He said SA was a dreadful place to live-his wife gave birth to twins, one was still born, but because they weren't Muslim they couldn't have him buried. He said he basically had to cremate his baby in the desert and ship the remains back to the UK in a welding rod box! He also told of a fire that broke out in a girls school but (and I shook my head in disbelief at this next bit) the officials wouldn't have them rescued because the girls heads weren't covered, even though firefighters from the local UK compound were screaming at the officials to go in and get the girls out, many burned to death.

He said Iran was completely different. Open, friendly, and had a great deal of respect for UK engineers and engineering. Notably he said in Iran, Christians, Jews (large contingent) and Muslims lived alongside each other harmoniously. Completely different to SA.

albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 04, 2016, 06:05:45 AM

Oh, it's going to get worse...oil prices already going up.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35222365


There was a discussion about Saudi and Iran today on the radio. One guy called in who had worked in both countries. He said SA was a dreadful place to live-his wife gave birth to twins, one was still born, but because they weren't Muslim they couldn't have him buried. He said he basically had to cremate his baby in the desert and ship the remains back to the UK in a welding rod box! He also told of a fire that broke out in a girls school but (and I shook my head in disbelief at this next bit) the officials wouldn't have them rescued because the girls heads weren't covered, even though firefighters from the local UK compound were screaming at the officials to go in and get the girls out, many burned to death.

He said Iran was completely different. Open, friendly, and had a great deal of respect for UK engineers and engineering. Notably he said in Iran, Christians, Jews (large contingent) and Muslims lived alongside each other harmoniously. Completely different to SA.
It's true: in 2002 a fire happened at the Mecca Intermediate School No. 31 and the "religious police" (هيئة الأمر بالمعروف و النهي عن المنكر) prevented firefighters from rescuing/allowing to leave some of the girls because they didn't have on sufficient Islamic dress.

The Persians I've known have been cultured, polite, and educated. Granted most of these were people/families who fled after the Shah's collapse (so rich and 'connected' people) and only aggression I've ever heard from them was verbal either towards the Mullahs and lack of support of the US for the previous regime (which like many a people who leave a country, they justify some of the harsh methods formerly used, like those towards the protesting students and radical Muslims.) But nothing radical, if anything they were more scholars, or play-boys, than radical Muslims.

Thing is Anglo-American support has always been to the worst, most-backward of the Muslims. The Bedouins, Arabs, etc and fake "royals" we, really the Brits, supported (even made really) have no culture, history, and were just backward people practicing a most primitive form of Islam barely above the various sectarian, family, and clan feuds. Persia/Iran has an ancient history, language, education, etc well before Islam and while the Muslims have taken over I think the majority of the people there would much rather be a modern country, albeit maybe not as "liberal" as some European country with regard to every social deviance, but certainly much more tolerant than the Arab countries, especially of the Salafist/Wabbahist bent or of the tribal mountain dwellers.

I'm not defending Iran's policies (the hostages, the Mullahs, the radical student movement, Hezbollah, etc) but IF we have to make a choice between Muslims I would say a much better chance for a stable, more modern, more tolerant of religious minorities and women, Iran holds more promise than the Gulf "royals", Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

Yorkshire pud

It's escalating; flights have been cut between both countries.

Philosopher

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 04, 2016, 08:31:18 AM
It's escalating; flights have been cut between both countries.

If only they could suspend their practice of 'religion' in protest.  That part of the world is religio-dystopian to begin with, any change can only improve things.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Philosopher on January 04, 2016, 08:49:41 AM
If only they could suspend their practice of 'religion' in protest.  That part of the world is religio-dystopian to begin with, any change can only improve things.

Which western (or any other) country's leader is going to even try to tell them that they're both heading to a very sticky end if they both continue the way they're going? Our government is very jumpy right now, and that's obvious because the news will have a suit on it giving an overview trying to play it down, but at the same time explaining why HMG (and I imagine too USG) can't directly interfere and only give 'guidance' to the Saudis! They're shitting themselves, and probably with good reason.

albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 04, 2016, 08:55:59 AM
Which western (or any other) country's leader is going to even try to tell them that they're both heading to a very sticky end if they both continue the way they're going? Our government is very jumpy right now, and that's obvious because the news will have a suit on it giving an overview trying to play it down, but at the same time explaining why HMG (and I imagine too USG) can't directly interfere and only give 'guidance' to the Saudis! They're shitting themselves, and probably with good reason.
I'm wondering if the escalation and killing of the Shite leader by the Saudis mean they are abandoning their low oil price strategy? Which would benefit other OPEC members, and Russia and some US states, but doesn't seem in keeping what the Saudis were trying to do? And will OPEC still exist anymore, even on paper, if this escalates much more (not that it was a very effective organization anyway with members not adhering to agreements etc like most attempted cartels.)

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: albrecht on January 04, 2016, 09:04:54 AM
I'm wondering if the escalation and killing of the Shite leader by the Saudis mean they are abandoning their low oil price strategy? Which would benefit other OPEC members, and Russia and some US states, but doesn't seem in keeping what the Saudis were trying to do? And will OPEC still exist anymore, even on paper, if this escalates much more (not that it was a very effective organization anyway with members not adhering to agreements etc like most attempted cartels.)


The frightening thing is how NATO (particularly US and UK) will see themselves in this mess. They both have very strong ties both militarily and business led (Construction, oil etc) to SA, and have assets there. But Iran is 'on side' doing their part in trying to get rid of (we're told) ISIS, or what it is they're called this week. We know certain sections in SA are funding ISIS, We know Assad is a cunt, we know the Russians are pretty indiscriminate in who they kill ISIS or just terrified civilians, and it's a huge dog's dinner waiting to be thrown up.. Not good.

The OPEC thing, who knows? I can't see it being favourable to us.

pate

Clearly this "dust-up" between Saudi Arabia and Iran is to draw attention away from this "Ark of Gabriel" Russian super-weapon headed to Antartica to subdue the Nazi Sassquatch/Yetis hiding out there since Operation Highjump days, and perhaps before.

Politics is the opiate of the masses!  Open yer eyes that ye may SEE:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/482764/ark-of-gabriel-russia-saudi-arbia-mecca-grand-mosque-ancient-weapon-Admiral-Vladimisky

Seriously, Mercury is going retrograde pretty soon (I read that on the intar-tubez as well)!

Honestly, I think the GRU/NKVD is behind this Saudi Arabia/Iran false-flag operation.  IT'S IN THE DATA!

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: pate on January 04, 2016, 09:22:01 AM
Clearly this "dust-up" between Saudi Arabia and Iran is to draw attention away from this "Ark of Gabriel" Russian super-weapon headed to Antartica to subdue the Nazi Sassquatch/Yetis hiding out there since Operation Highjump days, and perhaps before.

Politics is the opiate of the masses!  Open yer eyes that ye may SEE:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/482764/ark-of-gabriel-russia-saudi-arbia-mecca-grand-mosque-ancient-weapon-Admiral-Vladimisky

Seriously, Mercury is going retrograde pretty soon (I read that on the intar-tubez as well)!

Honestly, I think the GRU/NKVD is behind this Saudi Arabia/Iran false-flag operation.  IT'S IN THE DATA!

Change your dealer. He's supplying you bad stuff. The Daily Star isn't fit to hang in a nail in the outside loo. It isn't even comic status.

pate

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 04, 2016, 09:25:16 AM
Change your dealer. He's supplying you bad stuff. The Daily Star isn't fit to hang in a nail in the outside loo. It isn't even comic status.

I can tell by your poor command of the Anglish language that you are a paid GRU/NKVD shill.  It is only natural that you should besmirch the reputation of a fine journalistic publication like the Daily Star.  Their cretintials are imparsible, sir.  Imparsible.

BTW:  The proper Anglish idiom is "...fit to hang on a nail...", comma, Commie!

albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 04, 2016, 09:11:34 AM

The frightening thing is how NATO (particularly US and UK) will see themselves in this mess. They both have very strong ties both militarily and business led (Construction, oil etc) to SA, and have assets there. But Iran is 'on side' doing their part in trying to get rid of (we're told) ISIS, or what it is they're called this week. We know certain sections in SA are funding ISIS, We know Assad is a cunt, we know the Russians are pretty indiscriminate in who they kill ISIS or just terrified civilians, and it's a huge dog's dinner waiting to be thrown up.. Not good.

The OPEC thing, who knows? I can't see it being favourable to us.
It will be interesting to see. Frankly I could care less and wouldn't mind if the whole region got erased but, due to our immigration policies and foreign business and political entanglements this won't happen or, worse, will drag us into it. We have plenty of oil and gas via various sources domestically or from real allies (Canada, Norway, etc) or places that get our money (Mexico, etc) but not at the price-point per the Saudi strategy. OPEC has not been that effective and some countries could be better off if went away (or less Saudi involvement.) So if prices rise it could benefit certain countries- and us (to a point.) UK and parts of Europe is a worse situation but, if less taxed, more LNG, other pipelines, and fracking, it could take the bite out of a price rise.

Re: Assad, just a few short years ago he was on magazine covers and news magazines and lauded by Western governments/journalists for being so modern, beautiful wife, western trained, liberal in treatment of various religions, etc etc. Then, suddenly, he became worse than Hitler and we are told to support ISIS-like "rebel" and "Arab springers." Only after the destabilization was Assad really bad (and in comparison to the region and to his father not so bad.) And erstwhile "rebels" are even worse. And our "allies" and those "royals" the Anglo-Americans created are not nice people. They treat their citizens, minorities, other religions, women, servants/staff/slaves, "guest-workers," etc like crap and fund much of the terrorism and radicalism throughout the Muslim world.

Answers? I have no idea but we picked the wrong horse in the Serbian conflict, the wrong horse in the "rebels and springer" stuff versus bad (but more-or-less stable) autocratic regimes, and likely will pick the wrong horse with continued to support for Arab "royals." In my world I would've like post-ColdWar for Russia to come Westward in thinking, economy, and culture- but still maintain its border, support them in their fight against Islam (and Chinese threat,) rather have a modern Persia that a backward Gulf Arab states as a friend and trading partner, and give Kosovo back to the Serbs and let the Slavs take out the Muslim threat in Europe (they have historic knowledge of how to do so.) And no Turkey in NATO anymore unless they totally secularize and stop supporting radical Islam and ISIS.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: pate on January 04, 2016, 09:32:56 AM
I can tell by your poor command of the Anglish language that you are a paid GRU/NKVD shill.  It is only natural that you should besmirch the reputation of a fine journalistic publication like the Daily Star.  Their cretintials are imparsible, sir.  Imparsible.

BTW:  The proper Anglish idiom is "...fit to hang on a nail...", comma, Commie!


I know. I've told my phone that it should make allowances for my sausage fingers when I use it to type out onto the interweb. I hope it takes heed. Seriously. I'll also lobby to make o and i at opposite ends of the keyboard.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 04, 2016, 06:05:45 AM

Oh, it's going to get worse...oil prices already going up.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35222365


There was a discussion about Saudi and Iran today on the radio. One guy called in who had worked in both countries. He said SA was a dreadful place to live-his wife gave birth to twins, one was still born, but because they weren't Muslim they couldn't have him buried. He said he basically had to cremate his baby in the desert and ship the remains back to the UK in a welding rod box! He also told of a fire that broke out in a girls school but (and I shook my head in disbelief at this next bit) the officials wouldn't have them rescued because the girls heads weren't covered, even though firefighters from the local UK compound were screaming at the officials to go in and get the girls out, many burned to death.

He said Iran was completely different. Open, friendly, and had a great deal of respect for UK engineers and engineering. Notably he said in Iran, Christians, Jews (large contingent) and Muslims lived alongside each other harmoniously. Completely different to SA.

C2C guest and insidious whacko Douglas Dietrich has talked about something similar.  According to him he was there, attempted to intervene
to save the girls but got wiped out.  This lead to his dishonorable discharge from the United States Marine Corps.  He discusses it somewhere
in this Fetzer interview:

http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim%20fetzer%20real%20deal-doug%20dietrich.mp3

Edit: I think it is at about  the 1 hour and 15 minute mark where he goes into it.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 04, 2016, 06:05:45 AM

Oh, it's going to get worse...oil prices already going up.
[snip]


Well it's worse - Kuwait just hooked their ambassador in Iran.  So that is Saudi, Bahrain, Kuwait, Sudan
and the UAE so far. Plus what is up with 9 plane loads of the Qatar royal family going to Switzerland over
a busted leg? 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/29/mystery-of-emergency-landings-of-qatari-royal-planes-in-switzerland


Anyone live near Norfolk or San Diego?  Have a number of ships painted gray left port recently?   

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 05, 2016, 04:00:22 AM
C2C guest and insidious whacko Douglas Dietrich has talked about something similar.  According to him he was there, attempted to intervene
to save the girls but got wiped out.  This lead to his dishonorable discharge from the United States Marine Corps.  He discusses it somewhere
in this Fetzer interview:

http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim%20fetzer%20real%20deal-doug%20dietrich.mp3

Edit: I think it is at about  the 1 hour and 15 minute mark where he goes into it.

Fast forward to 52minutes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06tfbxf

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 05, 2016, 04:36:25 AM
Fast forward to 52minutes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06tfbxf

Thanks - I think Mr. Flannery from Middlesbrough is more credible then Dietrich.

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